Doc Ellis 124
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Doc Ellis 124

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Male, and married.  Owns a 1968 Harley-Davidson┬« Sportster Super H XLH and 1 other bike.  Looking for riding partners or friends.  Religious view is Adversarian.  Doesn't drink.  Lives in Canyon Country, California  United States.  Member since November 2007.

this is just for discussion
Genesis 1:27-28
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. See More

what would be a consequence if Satan had waited to manipulate them into disobeying God until there were kids? would the kids be guilty even if Satan had not manipulated them into eating the forbidden fruit?

is it rational to wonder if God planned for Adam and Eve to spring the trap that He set, so He could offer salvation to them? in order for the salvation plan to work, wouldn't the couple had to disobey and eat fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? is there any point in sending a savior if nobody ate any of that fruit? Didn't God know what was going on all along?

any discussion?

what way is better
permits a will to fetter
truth a debtor

to a masked lie
and a counterfeit thereby
is truth nearby

and denied its guard?
guard to verify canard
restrictions discard

when the lie shatters,
if reality matters
truth under tatters See More

may endure the will
of the one gushing forth swill.
but truth as lies still

waits discovering
identity recovering.
reason hovering

astute guard discerns
deceit to facts he returns
and with truth's concerns

as described, uses
that insight to slip that noose
leashing right to choose

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