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Amen Goodride_SYLO you said it all. I'm afraid the end of days are close.

I didn't vote for this nigger in office nor the that white nigger that left either.. Both have & are continueing on to F*ck this nation up... things might not be as bad.. "IF" Bush would have put price freezes on everything after fuel continued to climb.. IF Bush hadn't left this country in total F*ckuphood.. We probably wouldn't have a nigger in office.. Think about it.. where would we be if McCain was in office??..

this country is being ran by a anti christ christ said if u deni me I well deni u ...it has started look at he new medical insurance very closely....but as tv stars there moven on up.....lets remember what this country is founded on say a pray for our troops....

I am upset because my parents of 86 are in a mess cause the president is changing all the insurance, so insurance company's are raising there prices to where seniors can't afford it!! Makes me angry!! We do need help with our health services, but we are always the ones that have the bad end of the stick!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG....what a MORON!

Just wondering how many ppl actually are on BON to meet reall ppl and how many single harley guys are looking for a good woman.I'm tired of being alone n single.N I want to ride.I have no baggage,no drama n worth the risk.So,why am I left out in the cold???While you are crying in your beer wondering where you can find a good,honest,fun-loving gal.I'm right here.So,where are you???

Goodride_SYLO is correct!!! Send boob pics now before its to late , once the Civil war breaks out you gals might be imprisoned and turned into harem girls . Its not just OBAMA , its the whole socialist crowd. Soros and other New World Order types backed Obama because they knew they could play the race card and buy a few months to inflict FASCIST damage to our country . If we can defeat this Health care reform then Obama will be less of a force . Many over 40 white men are still ready to sacrifice their lives to save what is left of this country . If you are not willing to fight then at least you can supply these brave patriots with food and clothing or make a donation to those who will fight to their last breath .Obama is now trying to DICTATE the NEWS ..this is a classic play look back to Hitler or MAO or any of the tyrants .When the Civil war breaks out ...http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE,,,,,,PERIOD

You want my GUN ome & get A/H, God Bless this mess we call America. Home of the free my ass, Look I don't care if you shove gerbiles up your backside or your purple get a life or try being a hard working straight white man and see what its like to but up with the government & state B/S When I got out of the Coast Guard and tryed to get V.A. help I was told I was not a vet! So with hard work and my money I got a good job. Was in the $100,000.00 a year untill the time came for me to re-new My 500 ton Masters lic. With The 911 aftermat and war game they want to play with TWICC indorsements so you can go off shore I have been out of work since May 5th.

He has promised many things and yet has not proved anything!! Watch for the mark of the beast!!! One world goverment, never thought he would look like this!! Young and new ideas,,yeah!

I think that if Iran wants nuclear weapons so bad, we should send them a few of ours.....by air mail!

Ok people it is like this...If you want to keep your freedom to ride then you must fight against socialism. At this time there are two Americans...Patriots and loyalist...join or die...and I, my friends, am a proud Patriot...that is why I am fighting first so I can ride all I want later...What about you???

send Boobie pics b-4 its too late!!

I think Obama is the Bastard that Revelations takes about. New World Order????, Sing of End of Times??

B(.)(.)BIES Make Me Smile

thank god we can still have "tea parties",and "town halls",and talk radio to give us enlightenment

The failure to learn from history and straying from the pillars of what makes a nation great has done lesser nations in. We are not any better! I agree we need God to bless America but America needs to remember her God

GOD BLESS AMERICA,GOD BLESS OUT TROOPS AND THANKS TO THE VETS FOR THEIR SERVICE.LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE.RIDE HARD/BE SAFE. RAZR

i hear a report on the radio that claims hundreds of thousand of bailout dollars going to colleges to do studies on issues like..why teenage boys and girls hookup and a few other equally silly studies. with so many houses in forclosure...how about really bailing out some hard working americans that got caught up in big business bs. and, i think this is insanity, i hear obama wants to put another man on the moon by the year 2015. imagine what that will cost! how many people could be fed..housed and put back to work between now and then if that money was being funneled properly. i dont know...aren't there still people homeless in new orleans??

Fuck the government !!! As long as I can buy beer and they can't find me,It's cool !!!!!

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because Rough men stand to do violence on their behalf

I figured more people would have learned by now they have been giving our country away for years that is why lots of people I know have been having firearms and amo put back in special places for years. It's just going to have to be the people taking back the country from the goverment did we not do that with the tea party? I have a moto in my house "if you get pass the dogs the 45 will stop you in your tracks" Most of my friends that handle firearmes are women we are not the weaker sex, and we will protect our familys with no second thoughts.

HR45: Gun Owners and NON Gun Owners Watch Out!!!! Concerning the Blair-Holt proposed legislation: Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal tax form all guns that > you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun. In November, our lying president promised he was not going after our Second Amendment rights. This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage, http://www.senate.gov// You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply. It has started. Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into > the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009. Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the government is trying to fly it under the radar. To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information. Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless: It is registered -You are fingerprinted -You supply a current Driver's License -You supply your Social Security # -You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing. Each update change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. - There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access > provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison. If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family pass this along. This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it. This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not. If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. http://thomas.loc..gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45 : http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45 Please.. copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA, whether you support the Right to Bear Arms or not. YOUR rights are next. Government is taking away our right to choose, as well as the right to defend ourselves from intruders. CALL YOUR SENATOR! This is NOT A JOKE!!!! http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Getting your opinion from shock jocks and editorials on news channels with a single minded owner(Fox, MSN, CNN,all network news) is showing your lack of intelligence and gullibility...you will not learn anything from someone else editorial reviews except "their" opinions of what they have heard and read. Real facts are hard to find but worth the effort...work for your biscuits doggies. www.Military.com will find some facts if you can wade though the opinions. Foreign news gets you better pictures(ours are screened heavily)

First it was the bank takeover, then astronomical deficit spending in the "stimulus" and "omnibus" bills, then nationalizing the auto industry. Now it's the largest tax increase in history ("cap and trade"), socialized health care and the end of "don't-ask-don't-tell." Then comes socialized energy and education – on and on it goes. Americans have become so complacent - like a bunch of well fed Hogs - Fat and Happy - oblivious to the fact that our demise is looming like the proverbial "Pigs to the slaughter". WAKE UP AMERICA! Our own Government is planning the end of the Great Country we grew up in. True 'Dat Fo' Sho'.

very true eagle at least we can still press 1 for English. although we do have people who try to change the system for better or worse not sure yet. looks worse to me so far. but they do say change takes time! but do we have the time to wait?

It has gotten to the point that in order to run for office you need a good pot of money. Your suppose to have 'name recognition'. Then the background check of everything, your life under scrunity, and for some mistake or something said that may be true but politically incorrect, your dubbed inconsiderate, a racist or some other tag. No wonder good people dont want to run for office, get involved and help make change I dont expect office holders to be perfect. I do expect solid character, good wisdom, common values with the people and a understanding of needs and foresight of problem solving skills to make things better I do agree that this country does need a whole lot of PRAYER and we all can do that

everyone has very good points. I fly the flag proudly. my family served my dad was a ww2 vet 2 branches of service i was going to 911 as part of the medical staff also native american. we are going broke. the government don't care! we need to stand as one and as they say at the va "loud and proud" well i am one voice who will use it loud and proud god bless america!!!

I am very Pro America. I fly my flag, I support our troops everywhere, I pray safe return home to each and every one of them. I speak and understand ENGLISH only, and I am perfectly content with it, I never owned any slaves and I won't apologize for it. My Pledge of Allegiance has GOD in it, I have the righr to bear arms (and I utilize this right), I try to raise my kids to value these things and continue living the same simple life I live. I really feel sorry for my precious grandbabies to have to grow up in this Country if the current struggles continue or even get worse. The only relief I have in all this is the promise of the Lord Jesus that this will pass one day. I am by no means a model Christian, but I do know that this is all temporary. Our country is in trouble and, in my humble opinion, needs much PRAYER... If we, myself included, would spend as much time PRAYING for our country and its leaders as we do posting complaints about it, all would be better. I am not an Obama supporter, nor did I vote for him, but I will PRAY that he don't screw it up too bad.....I am just a simple redneck boy trying to survive another day to ride and don't mean to preach, but gotta say what I feel.. If loud pipes save lives, can't Loud voices save our country??? Let's get LOUD and be heard....Put GOD back in America where he belongs and we can all get off our butts and make it happen.......One last note...I am not running for office...lol

I believe that most, not all, who work in GOV at all levels have mostly forgotten that they are there to serve the people. Soldiers and those retired truly serve the people

We have lots of choices in our country. Voting is one of the rights I fought for. If you didnt vote you have no right to complain on the local, countym state and federal level. The other choice you have is to get involved. Its easy to complain. There is no sacrifice there. To get involved is a sacrifice.

Feeling the need to post a couple of my favorite quotes. "Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon." Winston Churchill * I believe many of us now most definitely 'see it' and are feeling it. "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill I admit, I grew up a spoiled American. Taking far too many things for granted - like the ability to always get a decent job. Wasting too many valuable resources, and learning most of life's lessons the hard way. I still believe, without question, the USA is the greatest nation on this Earth. "We the people" must do everything in our ability to see that it remains that way and gets back to some common sense ethics and actions of our forefathers. IMHO - Making our voices heard to the right people is damn good first step. Signed, Card carrying member of the NRA.

what do you expect, We can support every country but our own, ever industry in the US imports all their part from all the foreign country, yea let's keep them working while we are all laid off and if we stop buying the crap we don't need then they would have to put some of us back to work.

Heavily arm yourselves while you still can.Buy them illegally or however you can get them,stash 'em in a safe place.Fuck writing letters.Take control of your own destiny. the Gov.is gonna do what they're gonna do anyway with or without your consent.My advice is,"grow a set and do what you KNOW is right,and cover your ass.

Are you getting scared yet???? The Defense Department is reportedly furious with Obama's proposal to sell blueprints of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber to the People's Republic. Gates has flatly rejected Obama's plan, but has since been asked to step down if he will not facilitate the process. According to the deal, the United States would sell the plans for the B-2, along with radar-absorbing paints and metals in exchange for $50 billion in debt relief. The B-2 cost the US government $23 billion to develop the bomber in the 1980s. According to the Administration, this proposal will help the United States resolve its debt issues. They point out their belief that the B-2 bomber is "strategically obsolete", according to a source in the White House Press Office. In addition, the source claims that the Chinese would be unable to create their own functioning stealth bomber fleet for "at least eight years." American allies Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea are very wary of the proposal. Koo Syi, a geopolitical analyst from South Korea, points out that this technology could be passed to China's allies. This was the case when Chinese nuclear technology was transferred to Pakistan and North Korea. According to Koo, Obama has rendered US allies' opinions as "irrelevant." While this proposal is controversial, it is not being presented to Congress, where it could meet with stern opposition. Instead, the State Department has been informed to assist the Defense Department with the transfer of materials. Link: http://theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm

Subject: IRS GUN LAW > > > Senate > > Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal > > tax form all guns that you have or own. It may require > > fingerprints and a tax of $50 per > > gun. > > > > This bill was introduced on Feb. > > 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it > > is voted into law. This is an amendment to the Internal > > Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee > > can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. > > (Please note above that it is not right to sneak a bill > > and keep it from becoming public knowledge days after it is > > voted into law - Folks, this is not democracy!!! How in the > > world have we come this far in our democracy? > > > > > > The full text of the proposed > > amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage, http://www.senate.gov/ You > > can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, > > SB-2099. > > > > You know who to call; I strongly > > suggest you do. Please send a copy of this e-mail to every > > gun owner you know to help STOP this > > bill!! > > > > Here is a URL where you can read > > SB-2099: > > > > http://ron.dotson.net/guns/sb2099.htm >

This is a very informative video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8I9pLmuyyA&feature=player_embedded

AMEN to what everyone is saying. The bigger question is why aren't more folks like all of us, seeing what is really happening? I was not aware of the HR bill that we should all be protesting before they pass it under the radar. Thanks National News Media for not reporting it!!...This is a great page of information as well as all of us sharing the common anger all across America. I did send in my tea bags and stood with our Tax Day Protest. For those of you who listened to the news media again and their misreporting of information, Oregon had over 11,000 attend the Tax Tea rallies. Not the 4,500 that I hear reported by our local news. They even said downtown Portland had 2000 protesters, I was there and the estimated count was 5500 plus. So much for honest reporting of events in the news. By thy way, we were at Pioneer Courthouse Square. The new home of KGW local TV. Do you think they had cameras out 50' feet from their door reporting on out Tax Day Protest? We all had a very good time there and hope more of you were able to join in on your local protest. God Bless America and each of you here on BON. Glad I found this corner of the world.

Ok here is an Idea. After September 11th for several days we all sat in front of the Tubes watching and waiting for news of survivors and dumbfounded that they had pulled off such an elaborate plan. When Bush finally came out, he said some profound words, .Everyone needs to get out there and SPEND! I could see the fear in his eyes of what that meant. Our Global Economy is so fragile that all it takes is the Largest Consumer Nation Citizens of the USA to STOP SPENDING!!! To bring this house of cards down………… I do not mean your rent, house, car, food, soap, lights. I mean EVERYTHING ELSE!!!! All discretionary spending. Lets see how long we can go without our favorite what ever. If taxes are up on what we buy then STOP BUYING IT!!! EVERYTHING!! They have tuned us all into spending junkies. They count on us everyday!!! It is economics 101 if there is not a demand create one!!! Example: Not to pick on Apple but since they were on the front page of the USA TODAY with the new I-Phone 3GS OMG!!! I must HAVE ONE is CREATED!! Are we so self indulged that we can not get together and make this happen. Yes the word organize is abound together we stand!!! We are the most powerful people on this planet. As my Grandfather and Father would say to me ACT LIKE IT!!

? One I think you will like to read, and....pass on! It puts the blame right where it belongs.....on ALL politicians. Subject: Basic points that hit the many nails correctly...right on their way too stupid, heads...for way too many years! Lee Iacocca is at it again! . Worth reading and pondering. My favorite quotation of his from years ago, perhaps his first book after he left Chrysler, is “Lead. Follow. Or, get out of the way!” Good leaders practice all three during their careers – unless, of course, they’re afraid to hire really well-qualified people and let them do what they have expertise in. Anyway, enjoy our pal Lee – again: Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from its death throes? He's now 82 years old and has a new book, 'Where Have All The Leaders Gone?'. Lee Iacocca Says: 'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder! We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay the course.' Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned, 'Titanic'. I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!' You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq , the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you? I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. The Biggest 'C' is Crisis ! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C's of leadership, with crisis being the first.) Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down. On September 11, 2001 , we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A hell of a mess, so here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for leadership. But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point. Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened. Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone's hunkering down, fing

Well Worth Watching this video

It's time to band together. Check out this site. http://www.resistnet.com/

we are so screwed....big words , no actions. the us is hurting more everyday. stop obama or we will all die from jobless, hunger and disease. God help the usa....

Bags, well said...We must remember WE are the People!

sorry....I can't read this BS any more.....ya'll are down on Obama, down on wall street, down on the banks, down on the car manufactures, down on health care, down on our goverment, down on religion, down on guns, down on abortions, one dude is even blaming all this on the governments cover up of UFO's.....give me a break....take your heads out of your collective ass, people....this is life.....this is as real as it gets....America is not easy....you got to WANT to be American.....and she will fight you every inch of the way....you have to take our legislatures by the balls (pardon my french, ladies) and make them do what you want.....the days of staying on the sidelines, wringing your hands, and bellyaching "poor, woe is me" are gone....they went the way of the Edsel....you don't like the way something is being done, get up on your hind legs and change it....stop whinning....THAT is what make being an American so great....WE have the power....not only is it permissable to make changes, in America, it is expected...it is our responsibility to our children and to our children's children to leave them with better than what we had....that's what those before us did....so get off your soap boxes, put your bleeding hearts back in your chest, and roll up your sleeves...we got some work to do... a rap from the head of the Bags.....

thank uncle rod...that Bastard!!!lol

Go to govtrack.us click on h.r.45 go to the bottom of the page where it says Lets stop H.R.45 and petition it . you guys got to read what this bill is proposing to do to our second amendent right...

I THINK WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF WITH THE CLAMPETTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THE "HILLBILLYS" MIGHT HAVE HAD MORE CLASS AND SOCIAL GRACES THAN THE OBAMA'S. SURELY BETTER SENSE!

Please know about bill HR 45 simply nasty Panguitch, UT 84759 - Mar 6, 2009 thats right folks the obama Admin. is trying to push through a nasty anti gun bill called HR 45 and their trying to do it under the radar. basicly what the bill is about is trying to strip the american peoples right to bear arms away. by forcing the gun owner to submit to (home inspection) but we all know that its home invasion. 4 admendment violation. force the gun owner to apply for and pay through the nose for a card to own a gun. register all guns they have. surrender all so called assault wepons. force the gun owner to submit to a mental evailuation. before they can own a gun. or if they already have guns to surrender if they fail. and on that note i think everyone that dont have alot of money will fail the test. it alo makes private sales of firearms illegal. this is NO JOKE!!! log on and look up bill HR 45 and read about it. because its very nasty. one of obamas friends a senator from ILL. wrote this bill. and their trying to pass it through congress. so please let everyone you know about this bill. and we all need to get in touch with a goverment offical to let them know that we dont want this and we wont stand for this violation of our constitutional rights furthermore we all need to join the NRA before its too late. thank you all for reading this and have a great day. UNITED WE STAND DEVIDED WE FALL!!! WE ARE ALL FREE ''TAKE AWAY THE GUNS AND WE ALL BECOME SLAVES! AND THAT IS NO JOKE!!!!!

Trillion... its just a word. We cannot fathom a trillion. One trillion seconds of ordinary clock time = 31,546 years!

All of us BON members have made some interesting and valid comments on this countrys economic position.i guess what we all need to do is call our senator, conggessmen, or even drop few sylabls to the new pres.and let them now how it is on our end of the deal and what we think could be done to help make things better...Has anybody heard anymore about texas wanting to suceed fron the Union..i guess their getting pretty sick of things huh?..lol last i knew this was a country for the people and by the people, not a country that is dictated to by the gov.Let let our voices be heard..

I have an Idea There are 40 mill americans over 50 Give them each 1 mill $$$ they have to retire so that would open 40 mill jobs also they have to purchase a new car of thier choice and pay off their home or buy one. This would solve our economy and be cheaper then paying off all theses execs that dont need it.

Well here I sit and cant get a job where is the promises you have made OBAMA When will we wake up america he has got us where he wants us

JUST WONDERING HAS THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD GONE MAD, OR IS IT THAT BECAUSE TIMES ARE BAD WE'RE JUST PAYING MORE ATTENTION............

$9 TRILLION DOLLARS! ... and like lemmings 'we say or do NOTHING and walk into the sea' ...

OBUMA,RADICAL MUSLIM TRYIN TO TAKE OUR FREEDOM 37 EX ORDERS IN 2WEEKS SPENDEDMORE MONEY IN50DAYS THEN ALL PRES. IN HISTORY AND HAS NEVER PROVED HES EVEN A AMERICAN GOD HELP US AND WE NEED TO STAND UP OR GO DOWN

Rules for radicles written by Saul Elinski. not sure if that is how you spell his name...? but that is where abama gets his views from . this elinski was a Neo Marxist who died in 72 I think . he wanted clinton to come work for him but clinton went to law school instead. this anti american hates capitalism and the american way. he dedicated his book to the first marxist Satan aka Lucifer. read it for yourself if you think Im kidding. obama taught school in chicage for 4 years teaching this Neo Maxism and there is programs going on now in some schools that teach a progam called Social Justice which is brain washing young people to turn against our country they are targeting young blacks for they believe they already have a chip on their shoulder from the past and try to fan the flame of hatreds by this program and are easily recruted by doing this. Other key players in this movement are a women known as Mrs. pivins..? Amtonia gramshi...not sure of the spellings of these names wrote them down as they sounded. check out the web site www.steelonsteel.com and www.worldviewradio.com This is total Truth. not drive by hogwash that liberals regurgatate.... Obama sucks...! like real bad he is selling our country out to the communists. wake up America before its to late. dont worry about your money, worry about your freedom Rush for President in 2012 God bless our Troops we support you 100%

In the 50's we had a saying and it was on billboards across the country. "Support America" "Buy American Made" I know its more difficult today, but it can and is done by some of us.

I agree with Magic Man....Rest in peace Paul Harvey!!!

It amazes me that there's so little discussion regarding the Mexican army massing their forces, on OUR border, to quell the ever increasing violence associated with the drug trade! (DAMN! - that was a too long sentence!) --- It AMAZES me that Hillary Clinton had to make an UNPLANNED abrupt trip to Mexico City --- It *AMAZES* me that the following day - (Wednesday or Thursday?) - the Secretary Of Defense - in addition to pledging solidarity with the goverment of Mexico - ALSO - announced plans to consider stationing ACTIVE US TROOPS (not National Guard) along our Southern Border states - JUST IN CASE - the drug gang violence spilled over into the 'USA' (quote) ---> "MORE THAN IT ALREADY HAS SPILLED OVER!! --- Anybody reading this from California? - Arizona? - New Mexico? Texas? care to share with us a LOCAL perspective? ...

Now You Know <--- the "REST OF THE STORY" ... and as 'Paul Harvey' used to say ---> 'Good Day'

Some of you will recall that on July 8, 1947, a little over 60 years ago, witnesses claim that an unidentified flying object (UFO) with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and cattle ranch just outside Roswell , New Mexico . This is a well known incident that many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air Force and other federal agencies and organizations. However, what you may NOT know is that in the month of April 1948, nine months after that historic day, the following people were born: Albert A. Gore, Jr.. Hillary Rodham John F. Kerry William J. Clinton Howard Dean Nancy Pelosi Dianne Feinstein Charles E. Schumer Barbara Boxer See what happens when aliens breed with sheep? I certainly hope this bit of information clears up a lot of things for you. It did for me. No wonder they support the bill to help illegal aliens! Now You Know.

FROM THE FIRST BOOK OF DEMOCRAT OBAMA IS MY SHEPHERD, I SHALL NOT WANT. HE LEADETH ME BESIDE STILL FACTORIES. HE RESTORETH MY FAITH IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. HE GUIDETH ME IN THE PATH OF UNEMPLOYMENT. YEA, THOUGH I WALK THRU THE VALLEY OF THE BREAD LINE I SHALL NOT GO HUNGRY. OBAMA HAS ANOINTED MY INCOME WITH TAXES, MY EXPENSES RUNNETH OVER MY INCOME, SURELY, POVERTY AND HARD LIVING WILL FOLLOW ME ALL THE DAYS OF HIS TERM. FROM HENCE FORTH WE WILL LIVE ALL THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES IN A RENTED HOME WITH AN OVERSEAS LANDLORD. BUT I AM GLAD I AM AN AMERICAN, I AM GLAD THAT I AM FREE. BUT I WISH I WAS A DOG AND OBAMA A TREE. Today's Quote "Americans grew tired of being thought to be dumb by the rest of the world, so they went to the polls and removed all doubt."

GIVE THE BAIL OUT MONEY TO THE LEGAL AMERICAN PEOPLE.....THE ECONOMY WOULD BE FIXED OVER NIGHT. disclaimer: you may be required to pay of existing debt and provide for your own retirement plan and .......... Well after all it is our government! You didnt think they would give you something with out Taxing it or attatching stipulations did you!

The government can't fix the down fall our country is in, but the people can.

..... Political persuasions aside for a moment, this is FUNNY!

I would of liked some of that money,BOB!We could all (USAcitzens) had it&put back into the ecomony.INSTEAD they f-ed you&us out of a JOB

Excellent analogy! From a teacher in the Nashville area. Who worries about "the cow" when it is all about the "Ice Cream? The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade this year. The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote. >> >> To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members. >> >> We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. >> >> We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot. >> >> The class had done a great job in their selections. >> Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia's mother. >> The day arrived when they were to make their speeches Jamie went first. >> >> He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. >> Everyone applauded. He sat down and Olivia came to the podium. Her speech was concise. >> She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream." She sat down. >> The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want ice cream." She surely could say more. She did not have to. A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn't sure. Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it? She didn't know. The class really didn't care. All they were thinking about was ice cream. Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a landslide. Every time Barack Obama opened his mouth he offered ice cream and fifty-two percent of the people reacted like nine year olds. They want ice cream. The other forty-eight percent of us know we're going to have to feed the cow and clean up the mess.

Joe the Plumber tried to warn us...read this shit.... Windfall Tax on Retirement Income Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you're so darn stupid that we're going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. That's what the Speaker of the House is saying. Read below............... Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren't going to believe this. Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds! Alas , it is true - all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities! This woman is frightening. She quotes...' We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn't Marx say something like this?), in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.' (I am not rich, are you?) When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied: 'We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as 'Americans'..' (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in. 'Lower your retirement, give it to others who have not worked as you have for it'. Send it on to your friends. I just did!! This lady is out of her mind and she is the speaker of the house!

A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a bass boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am." The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude." She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Republican." "I am," replied the bass fisherman. "How did you know?" "Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me." The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Democrat." "I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?" "Well," said the bass fisherman, "you don't know where you are or where you are going. You've risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now it's my fault."

For the dem-witts that can't understand .... your obama is the puppet!

This took three post to get all this letter on...sorry it is so long but well worth reading....I hate the fucking SHEEP...........

Here is a little Wikipedia on Puppet Master (President) Greg Craig: Gregory Bestor Craig (born March 4, 1945 in Norfolk, Virginia) is a Washington-based lawyer and current White House Counsel to President Barack Obama. He has represented numerous high-profile clients, including John Hinckley, Jr., who was acquitted of the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. As assistant to the President and special counsel in the White House of President Bill Clinton, Craig directed the team defending Clinton against impeachment. He was a foreign policy advisor to Senator Edward Kennedy and to Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

Obama: “We will be…uh…umm…Is there a separate executive order, Greg, with respect to how we’re going to dispose of the detainees? Is that it…eh…uh… What are we doing? Craig: “We’ll set up a process!” Obama: “We will be…uh…setting up a process whereby this is going to be taking place.” Obama (talking about a special interagency task force on detainee disposition) “ So this task force is going to provide us with…uh…a series of recommendations on…uh, that. Is that correct, Greg?” Craig: “That’s right. And detainee policy going forward. Obama: “And detainee policy going forward so that we don’t find ourselves in these kind of situations…uh…in the future.” Craig: “And there is clear guidance for the military as well.” Obama: “And that we are providing clear guidance to our military in terms of having to do with it.” Did I say “puppet?” Make that “parrot” as well. Obama sounded as incompetent as his press Secretary Robert Gibbs, who when asked if there would be aggressive interrogation for Osama bin Laden if captured, said, “Let me get some guidance from Greg….” This brings up the question: Who is Greg Craig, the Edgar Bergen to Obama’s Mortimer Snerd? Put most succinctly, he’s a lawyer who specializes with representing rogues, the most famous of which have been: John Hinckley, the would-be assassin of Ronald Reagan Bill Clinton, during his impeachment Fidel Castro, who hired Craig to represent Elian Gonzales’s father Kofi Annan, during the U.N. Oil For Food Scam Pedro Miguel Gonzalez Pinzon, a Panamanian murderer of a U.S. soldier And now, Obama This also brings up the question of who is really running the country. Is it Obama, or is it Greg Craig? Or is it some leftist billionaire behind the curtain, such as Hungarian immigrant George Soros, who after helping buy the election for the Marxist Messiah, hired Craig to run the country? Regardless of who is writing the executive orders and running the show, this master plan for surrender is the exact opposite of what America should be doing. As he signed his strategically stupid orders, Obama declared, “We intend to win this fight.” I say that’s odure.

Even more bizarre, the Boricua Popular Army members were not required to repudiate their actions, and they were not asked to provide any information concerning the whereabouts of Victor Manuel Gerena, a co-conspirator and one of the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives (as was Marc Rich), or the millions of dollars stolen by the group in a 1983 robbery of Wells Fargo in West Hartford, Connecticut. Both these travesties were politically motivated. Rich and his lovely wife Denise, who Slick Willy was rumored to be sleeping with, were big donors both to the Democrat Party and the Clinton Library. And pardoning Puerto Rican terrorists was sure to secure the Puerto Rican vote in New York for the carpet-bagging Hillary, who was planning to run for Senator. Anything is possible with a thoroughly-unprincipled political scoundrel like Eric Holder. This is especially true since he will be under added pressure to coddle these murderers from the Fifth Columnist Media and the Communist-originated American Civil Liberties Union. (Search: ACLU founder Roger “Communism is the goal” Baldwin.) Both Holder and intelligence-ignorant political hack Leon Panetta, the new head of the CIA, are likely to ignore the fact that the Pentagon says 61 of the detainees released from Guantanamo are known or suspected to have returned to their terrorist ways, even though they all signed a pledge to renounce violence. Don’t the exit interviewers at Guantanamo know it’s theologically okay for Muslims to lie to an infidel? The latest proof that detainees should not be released comes in a new al Qaeda video which stars two former Guantanamo detainees, Said Ali al-Shihri and Abu Hareth Muhammad al-Awfi, both of whom were released in November 2007. Shihri is now Deputy Commander of al Qaeda’s Yemen branch, and is suspected of being involved in the attack on the American Embassy in Yemen last September, which killed 13, and was a make-good for an botched mortar attack last March that hit a nearby girl’s school instead. What were the detainees doing in the video? As graduates of the Saudi Arabian Rehab Program for released jihadists, they were warning other terrorists not to succumb to the relaxed atmosphere and pampered luxury at the former Saudi royal retreat where the terrorists are rehabilitated with activities like finger painting. Yemen, by the way, has a terrorist rehab facility, too, which American taxpayers pay for. Releasing detainees to a supposed ally doesn’t seem to work either. Abdullah Salim Ali al-Ajmi was released to the custody of his native Kuwait in 2005. Last year, after renouncing jihad, he was released. Last May, he went to Iraq and blew up a police station as a suicide bomber. But too often former Gitmo detainees don’t send themselves to the arms of 70 heavenly virgins. They go home to places like South Waziristan, as Abdullah Mehsud did. There he rebuilt and now leads a Taliban force of 5,000 in cross-border raids against Americans and our allies in Afghanistan. Despite all these realities, Obama seems intent on following his grand plan of appeasement, disarmament of options, and show of weakness to the Islamofascists. But maybe I’m too hard on the Marxist Messiah. Maybe his executive orders are not HIS. I’ve always thought that Obama was an inexperienced empty suit who delivered a good teleprompter speech, if written better than his inaugural address. Thursday proved me right. If you listened to his executive order speech, you would come away with the idea that he was a puppet and White House Counsel Greg Craig was the puppeteer. Stationed literally at Obama’s right hand, Craig was there to provide the real answers, and serve as The One’s teleprompter. Obama didn’t seem to know what he was signing or what he was doing on several occasions. Here are a few verbatim examples: Obama: “We will be…uh…umm…Is there a separate executive order, Greg, with respect to

OBAMA’S EXECUTIVE ORDURE By Randy Barker “Ordure”, you may be asking? Don’t you mean executive “orders?” No, I mean “ordure” which means “crap”, stems from the Latin word “horridus” or horrid, and perfectly describes the executive orders concerning our national security signed by Barack Hussein Obama last week. Most horrific of these was an order to close our “Club Gitmo” terrorist detainment facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba within one year, fulfilling a promise to his anti-military, anti-War On Terror, and largely anti-American kook base. He also closed all CIA secret prisons, and banned successful aggressive interrogation tactics, such as the “waterboarding” that convinced 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to name al Qaeda names and give addresses, along with revealing his still-active plan for innocent-appearing oriental Muslims to crash an airliner into Los Angeles’ tallest building, the Library Tower, saving untold lives. Contrary to the opinion of the vacuous Nancy Pelosi, these moves are neither “brilliant” nor fulfilling a politician’s “first responsibility to protect the American people” as she contended on ABC’s This Week with Former Clintonista Spin Doctor George Stephanopoulos. Where does The One, as Oprah blasphemously calls him, plan to put the 245 detainees left at Guantanamo? Their home countries don’t want them. Will he send them to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas to spite Kansas Republican Senator Sam Brownback, who has launched a preemptive objection? Send them to the Charleston Navy Brig in South Carolina because Republican Senator Jim DeMint has said “Transferring detainees from Guantanamo to U.S. soil will endanger American lives?” Send them to the Marine base at Camp Pendleton, just for the irony of it all? Or send them to the Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, where they can compare notes with 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui? What I think would be better is that Obama take up Democrat Representative John Murtha on his offer. Murtha, a treacherous liberal who worked for America’ s defeat in Iraq, and falsely accused Marines of killing “innocent civilians in cold blood”, then refused to apologize after their acquittals, has offered up his own district in Pennsylvania, near where Flight 93 crashed on 9/11, as a terrorist destination. Apparently, Murtha thinks the jihadists will feel at home among “rednecks” and “racists,” as he described his constituents during the fall election. Since Obama has gotten the Defense Department to suspend war crimes trials, the big question now is where and how does he plan to try these people? Will Obama’s incoming Attorney General Eric Holder make these terrorists de facto citizens and extend them due process rights, when as non-uniformed enemy combatants they are not even covered by the Geneva Convention? And if Holder’s minions fail to convict them, and no home country will take them, will he simply turn them loose on the American people? There’s a possibility of this happening because Holder has been party to doing it before. Holder is not only famous for recommending the last-minute pardon of fugitive billionaire Marc Rich, accused of using his “special relationship” with Ayatollah Khomeini to illegally trade with Iran (in addition to tax evasion), but to recommending the commuting of the sentences and the release of 16 members of the Boricua Popular Army, also called Las Macheteros (The Machete Wielders) a murderous, thieving Puerto Rican terrorist organization. And he did this even though the commutations were opposed by the FBI, the federal prosecutor and their victims’ families Some of the 16 hadn’t even asked for a commutation. Even more bizarre, the Boricua Popular Army members were not required to repudiate their actions, and they were not asked to provide any information concerning the whereabouts of Victor Manuel Gerena, a co-conspirator and one of the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugiti

Stand proud Blueslady04...it is good for our tax dollars to help offset someone's wages to help raise their family. There I live I see people buyiny buggies full of pepise with food stamps so they can sell to other stores or trade for pills.

The only thing Obama is going to do is raise taxes!

WHY THE HELL SHOULD WE PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH?

Skydancer AMEN sister. I do have to admit, I am a single mom of three, I work but still need help. Hell I would submit to the drug test. And you are right, 95% of the people getting assistance wouldn't pass.

do the math, 825 BILLION DOLLARS is going to get us 4 MILLION jobs. Thats 200,000.00 plus, PER JOB. And thats if the government lives up to its promise. Give me some cash, I'll hire and train people for only 100K. - Are you fucking kidding me?

Hey Hammer & E-Z-E.....Ya got the right idea. That would put the money into this failing economy. As much as I'm against regulation I think the spending of that money would need to have some stipulations. Spent in the U.S. on U.S. made products and services to start. I've said it before.....we need to become more independent and redevelop our industrial strength. I'm all for helping our fellow man but we can not allow that to be our demise. We have always helped other countries in need but now we are in deep shit. We need to help our own brothers and sisters here in the U.S. get on their feet by creating jobs, and put a stop to the generations of welfare. An honest days pay for an honest days work. I know there are some that can't possible work and need the help.....that's a different story. To pay Merrill Lynch to remodel their offices is ludicrous. Our new president has a good head on his shoulders and will pull us out of this, it's going to take a while, I don't care who got in it will take a while, but I think he will get it done quicker than any of our other options. He has walked into a greater dept than anyone in the past. Hang tough ya'al and lend support where ya can. Bob

It was reported today that a Merrill Lynch exec spent 1.5 mil of our money with office improvements. How many homeless would that feed and shelter, orphans that need help or some other agency that works with those who need it most. Yet a bale plan is still being pushed with little to no oversight. wh litt

... Good Luck Barack - (You're gonna need it) I wish you well. I've HEARD what's being said - and understand the implications! ---> Projected deficit now in the TRILLIONS?? ... Get your long term financial affairs in order folks! ... This DEBT is going to effect us all.

We must not forget about 'we the people'. Government is not for itself but we who are the people. 'We the people' play a vital role in the progress and greatness of our nation. Regardless of our political party or view will we rise to the occasion to make our nation a better place in the world, where we live? I will!

A portion of Obama's inaugural address. ".....Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America -- they will be met.... ...Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America......... ......For as much as government can do and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies. It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours. It is the firefighter's courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent's willingness to nurture a child, that finally decides our fate..... ............We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you..... " Barack Obama It will be a long hard road to recovery in order to bring this great nation out of this depression and regain our strength but I believe we are now on the right path...... I wish my brothers and sisters all the best and please remember....UNITED WE STAND...... Peace, love and respect....Bob

I agree skydancer that we need to hold people accountable. Like you I work hard and pay my taxes. I believe our elected officals regardless of what level of public service they are elected need to get back to being true statesmen as opposed to a career of lifetime politics. On another note, regardless of political party, Im thankful we live in a nation where our transition of power is orderly and peaceful.

This is kinda funny, and then again, kinda not... Joe, the average worker says; Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helpi ng someone sitting on their lazy butts, doing drugs, while I work. . . . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? Pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you don't. Hope you all will pass it along, though . .. . Something has to change in this country -- and soon!!!!! guess we could title that program, 'Urine or You're Out'.

I didn't catch the interview that kyironrider is referring to, but I imagine those surprised by Obama's remarks are probably Obama supporters. The definition of "change", doesn't imply good, it simply means to alter or modify. I think it's time for the people of this country to take back control from this government, public servants!

I just found this page and love it! I totally agree with this Owl-Kater infomation and wish more people would not be so gulible to believe all that our government puts out. I know that I am stocking up on my guns and ammo! I liked an email that I received and thought it had some validity; therefore, being the vocal one and loving the fight for fairness, I added some to it and sent a letter to Dick Durbin - our Illinois Senator. I believe that if you make something real rather than just an email that everyone passes along between each other griping about this or that and shove it in front of those of whom can actually change anything - well, then just maybe we can make a difference. However, it will take more than just one guy sending a letter to get the ear of our politicians. So, I am asking that everyone pass this email around to all they know and ask each of those individuals to copy and paste this letter to Word - change the name of the politician to the one residing over their area and change the signature block as well to be their own and send this hard copy letter to their politicians. One voice is drowned out easily by the sound of ones own greediness; however, to make a louder cry with many voices - change may come around. You watch Illegal immigrants, gays, war protesters and racists storm our white house to get the attention of our government for their whims and wants; but, you dont ever see taxpayers storm it to get fairness or protest higher taxes - soooo, maybe we can get more people involved if they dont have to leave their houses and simply mail off a letter. No, I dont expect to get the $400K.. But, maybe we can adjust the gross amount given to taxpayers - notice that I left out the illegal immigrants! anyway,, read,, enjoy,, and I hope you pass it on to others that may share these feelings! Kevin Mr. Durbin, I do hope you will take a look at this and do some number crunching to possibly make this happen. I am sure the politicians would hate to see the taxpayer actually get something in the return for their years of slavery to provide for the exuberant lifestyle all politicians have come accustom to. But, I am sending this to you with the hopes and prayers you would address this issue and try to support those who have supported you for years. I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG. Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to the taxpayers in a "We Deserve It Dividend". To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide U.S. taxpaying Citizens 18+. Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up paying taxes.. So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00. My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a "We Deserve It Dividend". Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%. Every recipient taxpayer 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. But it means that every taxpayer 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife have $595,000.00. What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family? Pay off your mortgage - "housing crisis solved". Repay college loans - "what a great boost to new grads" Put away money for college - "it'll be there" Save in a bank - "create money to loan to entrepreneurs". Buy a new car - "create jobs" Invest in the market - "capital drives growth" Pay for your parent's medical insurance - "health care improves" Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean or else Remember this is for every taxpaying adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back and of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces. If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every taxpaying adult U S Citizen

Obama braces nation for 'heavy lift' as reported by Politico: In an interview on ABC's "This Week," President-elect Obama is warning that his campaign promises will take longer than he expected to carry out, and that Americans wiObama braces nation for 'heavy lift' ll face more of a burden than many have realized. "I'm focused on a pretty heavy lift, which is making sure we get that reinvestment and recovery package in place," Obama said. The interview with George Stephanopoulos, Obama's first since returning to Washington as presisdent-elect last weekend, was taped Saturday at the Newseum, where "This Week" has its studio, and will air on Sunday. "George, I want to be realistic here: Not everything that we talked about during the campaign are we going to be able to do on the pace we had hoped," Obama said in brief excerpts released by ABC. Obama also hinted at future tax increases and spending cuts. "Everybody's going to have to give," Obama said. "Everybody's going to have to have some skin in the game." Obama has said he will repeal President Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans or – more likely, now – allow them to expire as scheduled at the end of 2010. And he has said he will cut or eliminate wasteful programs. "Our challenge is going to be identifying what works and putting more money into that, eliminating things that don't work and making things that we have more efficient," he said. Stephanopoulos wrote on his blog: "I asked the president-elect, 'At the end of the day, are you really talking about over the course of your campaign some kind of grand bargain? That you have tax reform, healthcare reform, entitlement reform including Social Security and Medicare, where everybody in the country is going to have to sacrifice something, accept change for the greater good?' "'Yes,' Obama said.

One of Obama's first plans after taking office is to spend his first trillion so I guess it's not going to stop in the next four years so I guess we will have to try to find a conservative candidate four years from now.

I just heard on th news today that ou nations deficit is going to hit x number of trillins of dollars. A larger number than evr before. When is it going to stop. Whatever happened to being satisified with what we have or paying as we go?Its time we do witout where we can nd tighten the blts. I av in my personal lif and its needs to be doe in our goverment. Yes I voted and have in every election even if its local

what ever happened to " we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" ? so many people being fined and such for not allowing gays to use the service they provied. WTF?

my kids went to iraq my son and my daughter and also my son in law ! God Bless our troops they are our families If you cant stand by them then by all means stand in front of them!!

Just came upon this sight, dont know how I missed it, would have liked to be here before the voting, oh and yes I did vote..............altho, he didnt win! Some good writing on here, some bad. But indeed we are headed for some shit ahead, keeping my gun loaded. I also have a son who is fighting for us, USMC, damm if I like it that hes been in Iraq and now headed to Afganistan. Proud hes who he is, but wait tell you kid is there. God be with him.

Np Ky, it's all good.

sorry Bill, I see what your post is referring to. I took what you were saying wrong...I deleted my last post.

It was said we've been losing our rights, in fact the quote is: "Ask yourself how many rights have we lost due to Owl-kater and in the name of " security" the last 10 years. These are not just your rights, but the rights of your kids ,their kids, their kids and so on, is this what you want to leave them?" So what rights have we lost? On a side note, smoke what you want or how much for that matter....I couldn't give a shit.

ok... let me rephrase it, wtf rights have I lost because of the war on terror or the ragheads? Sure, some laws changed because of the patriott act but if I haven't felt the effects, did I reallly lose anything? Hell no!

I am 55 years of life and my FREEDOMS and RIGHTS have been taken away every year as far back as I can remember. Our rights have been taken away at a faster rate the last 10 years and will be even worse in the next few years. Anyone that thinks they have not lost any rights have done way too much shit...I would think they are so fried that they would need to be led around by the arm. I can think back at some of the things my friends and I did for fun when we were young....oh well...those days are gone now...thanks to our law makers and the supreme courts. DADSONS is right and what he said is only the tip of the iceburg.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm----Rights ARE being taken away but you don't hear about them in the news. Check out ACLJ,American Center for Law and Justice to see what kind of crap is going on in the world that you seldom if ever hear in the "NEWS", not PROPOGANDA but Supreme Court hearings and the constant attacks on the American way of life in the name of "Political Correctness" and the ever growing "WORLD VIEW" that has the American people going the way of the "UNITED NATIONS" vs. "THE UNITED STATES" that our forefathers fought and died for. There are a lot of "Compleate Idiots" here and everywhere, perhaps I'm another one. The real and ever present WAR is for the minds and beliefs of the "WORLD CITIZENS". My own children have been told not to talk about Jesus with thier friends in school but what do you suppose would happen if they spoke of ala if they were muslim.The teachers are igonrant of the way our laws really read and the proper interpretation of those laws. Thank God for Jay Sekulow who fights our battles for us in the courts where our freedoms and rights are being attacked on a daily basis.

WTF? I haven't lost any rights in the last 10 years...has anybody?

zzzorra, First I would like to say...DON'T ever say you agree with me....I don't agree with anything you say...you are a complete idiot...if you believe anything you wrote last then go to any mid-east country and repeat in public that Al Qaida or Owl-kater as you mock and you will see if it is a US government hoax.

i agree with harleygirl theres so much crisis in our world but we have to deal with it an hope fo the best. I do say though WAKE UP AMERICA!!

THE WORLD IS SO FLIPPIN SCREW UP N WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT ..WE HAVE NO CHOICES...ITS ALL FLOCKED UP ..ENOUGH SAID

I want to take a moment and address these GOVERMENT PROPOGANDA CONSPIRICY posts I see out here on this page. ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- All my life I've been a newspaper (NEWS) guy. I mention it in my bio. I've sat in NEWSrooms all my life! ... Niagara Falls NY / papers in Florida / California / 3 papers in New England / a major Boston metro paper and 17 years as a Day 1 (original launch team) member of USA TODAY, ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- Here's my point! ... NOT ONCE in my entire career --- *NOT ONCE* in the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of *DAILY* NEWS briefings I attented and/or was a part of, were ANY of the decisions made on what to publish, based on ANYTHING being FED to us by ANY goverment. (local / county / state or FEDERAL) ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- This notion of MEDIA PROPOGANDA based on goverment influence is just that. A *NOTION* (It DOESN'T happen!) ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- That said - admittedly, there are *EDITORIAL DIFFERENCES* - which is to say - each-and-every EDITORIAL BOARD at each-and-every NEWS OUTLET - (TV, radio, newspaper, magazine etc) has their opinion and/or personal interpratation OF FACTS, on any given ISSUE or EVENT. ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- People often mistake that *OPINION* - and - *INTERPRATION OF EVENTS* as being govermentally influenced. AND IT's NOT!! ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- You may not 'LIKE' / 'AGREE WITH' / and/or 'APPRECIATE' the manner in which the 'recapping of events' is presented to you 'in capsule form' ... but PLEASE ... understand ... there are no SECRET clandestine plans taking place to SPOON FEED PROPOGANDA to newsroms across America.

Bob-in-Ormond ... GOOD POINT(s) .... Most people are un-aware and 'sticking their head in the sand' as to HOW our becoming the WORLD's BIGGEST DEBTOR NATION will effect their day-to-day life. ... It's scary ... Your point on the RISK to our financial system is valid --- BILLIONS A DAY are going to the Chinese and Arab nations. (Not so much Japan any more - they're in a boat similiar to ours) - We're screwed if the Chinese decide (politically or otherwise) to "call in our debt" ... They got us by 'the short ones' kids ..... and *WE* put ourselves there by freely choosing imports - (starting with the 'cars' - years ago) - over our NEIGHBORS products and services. .... WAKE UP AMERICA !

Kyironrider does have a point!!! "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US. "Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook Source... I have known for a long time about this ,but it still pisses me off, no end. Not only is that statement true but Al Qaida- ( owl- kater) is the name of the data-base of people paid by the US government to fight the Russians during Afghanistan conflict, Bin- Laden was one of the leaders and on the payroll of guess who? That’s right the good ol C-riminals In P-rogress (CIA). Fourteen min after the first plane hit WTC tower, the main stream media brought up Bin Laden's name and his group Owl- Kater and how he had 3000 crazed and welling followers, ready to do whatever he ordered, 2 hours after that the government released the names, ( with pics, mind you ) of the " terrorist", along with Bin-Laden's. Seven of the nineteen have been proven to be, un - dead, as in alive. Don't take my word for it, Vet it for yourselves, the real tin-foil hat people are the ones that believe the official 911 story. Ask yourself how many rights have we lost due to Owl-kater and in the name of " security" the last 10 years. These are not just your rights, but the rights of your kids ,their kids, their kids and so on, is this what you want to leave them? Almost to the letter, this is the way the Nazis took control of the government back in the 30s... the bad thing is, they will keep using false-flag operations against us to get what they want i.e.... the London 7/7 tube bombings. The shooting rampage in India was well planned and well funded and involved ties to UK and US Intel- persons. Now just last week,India passed it's own " homeland security" act, taking away rights and giving the gov more power over the citizens. Looks like it worked again... America, land the prisons, home of the sheep. On a side note the UK has a surveillance camera for every 18 citizens, hey look ma I am on tee vee. CEO, citizens,eyes,open. ( wide)

It is inevitable that the automakers are going down. To bail them out would buy some time but they are still bound to fail. Right now, tens of thousands of new vehicles sit in lots unsold. Chrysler it self reports they have 50,000. With the economy going where it is people are struggling to survive, no less buy a new car, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. I believe we are headed for a depression like this country has never experienced. (I hope I'm wrong) We need to do something drastic and it's not bailouts. Halting imports and restarting our factories for our own necessities would be a good start. We need to become independent so we can regain the strength we once had. We are so far in dept to Japan and China I can see that it wouldn't be very hard for them to own our banking system before too long. We (our president) has borrowed more money from other countries then all the past presidents put together. Time to wake up, stand up and speak out.....because people, if we keep going like we are....we are fucked

NO...It is time we speak up.

Sometimes, the best comment is no comment at all.

'1' out of EVERY '10' jobs in the USA is tied DIRECTLY to the auto industry. ---------- It used to be '1' out of EVERY '6' until HONDA / TOYOTA (originally DATSUN) / NISSAN / and SUBARU (among others) showed up. ---------- ---------- 'Each And EVERY Import Purchased, Takes Another JOB' ----- (WAKE UP AMERICA!)

I agree that no one wants to help any of these corporate assholes. But if we let these big companies fall then a lot of people will lose their jobs. Then the domino effect will start and this country will be on its knees. I would like to try to keep people working. So let's take the money we give the dead beats to help keep the good citizens working....

AMEN COUSIN VINNY!!

It's a fact of life hitting our elected officials in the face. We as a people(the tax payer) do not have bottomless pockets. I don't believe any of the financial institutions should be bailed out. It only means we as a people well pay for their mistakes when they have no mercy on us. NAFTA and GAT was a direct result to these troubling times along with the oil investors for throwing a monkey wrench in an already troubled economy. All the good jobs have gone from this country. Corporate greed is all it is and yet this government continues to let them bite the hand that feeds them (us, the people, the tax payer). Things will only get worse until we the people start screaming together. (enough is enough)! Charity begins at home!

Don't worry kyironrider, we still have the Mexicans, and they keep sayin they will do the work we Americans don't wanna. But, on the other hand, I am still waitin on a bunch to come paint my house, and do my yard...because me, as an American, just don't wanna do it.

We had all better wake up and start paying attention! This morning, Pakistani, Taliban Minister of Migration, Mohammad Omar, warned the United States that if military action against Iraq continues, Taliban authorities will cut off America's supply of convenience store managers. And if this action does not yield sufficient results, cab drivers will be next, followed by Dell Computer customer service reps, AOL Help, AT&T Service Center-level 1, Motel 6 managers, and liquor store cashiers. Who knew it would come to this. It's getting ugly.

Just my personal opinion.... I DON'T see a foot that would fill one of FDR's shoes even if "he" put both his feet in one shoe.

sunnbeachlvr - I appreciate your 22 years of service. It is very commendable. Your attitude and honor takes backseat to no one. I am 55 years old and have never missed a presidential election since I was 18 years old. I have been disappointed in the outcome of many presidential elections in the past...especially this one. I have never had a problem accepting the new president as I have this one. Having a president that is as anti-American Obama is, reminds me of the fall of the USSR when they had their own troops fighting their own citizens in the streets of Russia. When the soldiers realized they were actually fighting their own relatives/neighbors, they threw down their arms, took off their uniforms and joined their loved ones. My question is, God forbid if it come to that in the United States, what would our troops do?

I am proud to say I voted. I have served our country for 22 yrs and have stood side by side with both men and women in harms way. What makes our country great and very different from many others is the way our transition of power is managed. The people I voted for did not win their offices. However as a soldier I have always been taught to follow the orders of those above me. That includes my President regardless of whether I voted for him or not. Now, it is my duty to do all I can as a American to do my part in making my country a better place in the world around me. I cant change congressional decisions, presidential executive orders and all that, but I can change the attitude I have and make a difference in the people around me on a regular basis. That is what makes our country great, people pulling together from all walks of life making a everyday diference in their world.

I agree with your words of optimism JD! ... 100%

Has anyone considered World History, democracy leads to interventionism which leads to socialism. Its a formula repeated again and again in organized civilazations and usually only interupted by civil war.The problems facing our country are massive, with no simple solutions at hand. Obama is certainly a democratic socialist and appears to be following the administration of FDR. Americans will survive these hard times in one way or another. Have faith in your brothers and take care as best you can of your families. God Bless...

KITTY ... I notice you're from Chicago ... I/e --- Illinois ..... so, on a LIGHTER NOTE --- I was wondering if I can talk to anyone out there about becoming your United States Senator?? ..... According to the news reports --- if you talk to the soon-to-be-EX govenor --- the seat is available and open for BIDDING! (<:) ... (Ya' gotta love it!!) ...

I know that some are really getting very deep and serious in this, and please, I mean no disrespect to anyone!!!! I just hope for all of us, that this "situation" gets handled the right way...A lot of us have worked way to hard to get where we are... But on a lighter note, I just want to say one thing (in humor, kinda....) I really was voting for Bill Gates. Lets face it, the man knows how to handle money, is known all over the world, and mostly nobody hates him. Ok....Little LOL please. Seriously, again....My best for everyone. We all have different situations, backgrounds, gripes, etc.... I hope it all works out somehow for us!!!!

.Understand that i have nothing persoal agaisnt unions,however i think between the unions and the government that they have put the big 3 way beneath the 8 ball.Every time they set a new epa standard the big 3 will attempt to implement them and the government will change it and they have to start all over,Ca alone has i believ its 6 or 8 different cafe standards they have to meet in their autos,,(also effects the price and avaiability of gas).The unions initial purpose was to look out for their workers(good)but when you negotiate contracts that allow workers laid off to sit at a plant all day and do nothing and collect 80% of there regilar wage,that is flat wrong and causess money issues with the manufacturers.they try to blame the big 3 saying don't don't make the cars Americans want?? Have you paid attentin to the highways??If peolpe didn't want these suv's and pick-ups and gas guzzlers than by god you wouldn't see them on the road.The big 3 are not blameless in this,pay outrageous salaries to ceo's and the like,allowing the unions to intimidate them into constantly paying out to "protect workers" instead of having the backbone to say enough is enough.they deseve what they get.However it hurts us in the process,everytime the union strikes,everytime the government mandates new standards,everytime the enviromental(key word mental) starts to cream global warming, the cost of making the autos that governmaent says we want the cost of manufacturing goes up,conseqently,we pay for it.In case you haven't guessed i'm against any of the bailouts,will it hurt us,yes,but not nearly as much as it is going to with our government,the great financial wizards that they are,having control of every aspect of our daily lives we aare all going to pay out the wazoo long after you and i are gone and our children and granchildren are gone.Lets have everyone reading this that has had finacial issues this past year go to congress and tell them that you want a bailout,or the money we have paid in taxes over the years back so you can fix your situation,watch how fast they tell you to kiss-off.I'm all for helping the person next to you if they fall on hard times as evidenced in our compassioned in the charities donated every year,but giving to other countries,Iraq,Africa,and all the other folks that have their hands out has also got to stop,it's the basic if you can't take care of you,how the hell can you expect to take care of anyone else.If the extremely weathy and the arrogant celebrities in Hollywood want to donate to worthy causes fine,i'm sure we all do our part in different,but the average American should not be forced to do the same.I love this country but i am afraid that if we continue this path it will not be the country it once was.They says they want the rest of the world to like us,thats all well and good,my opinion is I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHETHER THEY LIKE US OR NOT,as long as they realize tthey can't screw with us and not suffer the consequences.

Im With you Baby ... Where is my Mill .... ????

GREAT idea! ... not likely, but 'food for thought' (<:) ... I heard a report and I forget the EXACT number - but, it's something like $3,500.00 every man, woman and child in America has to anty up. (Maybe it was 35 THOUSAND - I forget) ... WHATEVER IT IS --- it's a LOT of money with no guarantees or assurances ... kinda like a 'crap shoot' ... ... and annoying

... on a lighter note --- (the following comment is LACED with EXTREME sarcasim) ---> it was nice to that see the CEO's of the BIG-3 didn't fly in on their private jets this time! ... (how overly 'normal' of them to accomodate the cameras!) ...

Mister you got problems

Are you jealous of these people and their benefits? What do you have against these people and their abilities to get a good deal? Everyone making a living should have what they have.

Oh , you will give me/us the benefit of a doubt about the management being all screwed up when congress has just went down the list of all of their earnings and it shows that they have most of the money in their pockets and are completly out of touch with the realities of their workers and the working people who buy their product and at the same time you have all the facts and figures when it comes to the UAW workers. That's real generous of you to give me/us the benefit of the doubt about the management being all screwed up.

I am just saying don't make it sound like it's the auto workers fault when it's the "executive bean counter" and they're bosses that are actually getting most of the money and planning all the time to put the worker out of a job so that they can then get all of the money.

http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189 It's a very interesting video and listen to the last sentences..... just food for thought....

Keep in mind they put the bankruptcy laws into effect for this purpose and a reorganization evolves from that which would take care of what GM is going through and make them run more efficiently.....no we should not let the Goverment bail out anyone here it has to stop.

Well I was wrong, they only make $28 an hour, Thanks for clearing that up. Nearly $40 if you include benefits. Now as far as that other crap about $70 an hour, that's another example of bullshit. I went to www.uaw.org and they back-up what I said. You can't add up what everyone in this country, retired or living on the benefits of a deceased one, collects in benefits and then divide it by the hours of the ones that are actually working and say that is how much the workers are paid. Can you? They MAKE $28 dollars an hour plus $10 or $12 in benefits.

The pay for the average UAW worker is no more than $40 an hour and that includes benefits, not benfits. Research. Don't just repeat outlandish crap you have heard or read.

I do NOT support a bail-out of ANY kind!!!! I think the OIL INDUSTRY should loan the money to the AUTO INDUSTRY... think about it!

You put over a million auto workers and jobs related to the auto industry out of work (not all union workers) in this country and you will see a depression far worse than the 1920s. Same goes for the housing industry--the more people who lose their jobs the more it will hurt our economy. The less people who work...the less people who spend money which causes more businesses to cut back and lay off which put more people out of work; therefore, you have a depression. It affects us all.

I made the mistake of buying a Chevy truck 5 years ago. In that time the trans "grenaded" in the middle of the desert at 1 a.m. - this with 56,000 miles. Then the catalytic converter went, suspension problems, cylinder head and radiator, then finally the crank and pistons seized. This all before 100,000 miles, all services were done by a Chevy dealer in Simi Valley, and they treated me like crap. So, am I happy to see GM and the others crawl on their bellies like the reptiles they are - you bet! Do I think they should get bailed out or ANYTHING like it - hell no. If in a "free-market" economy you suck at something, you get replaced, well, they need to get replaced. If I, or you suck at your job, you get canned. Hell, these days even if you break your balls you get fucked in this "will-to-work" environment you get NO promises. So, sorry all you UAW wortkers, man-up and work for your money, and build a good product or be likened to the scumbags running this comedy show.... The only people getting bailed out are wealthy friends of the bastards writing policy, fucking over workers and do not deserve MY money... Bush and his people are thiefs...

In the defense of the American Auto Industry, How can one expect them, to afford building better cars and trucks, when there unions and union workers demand the high wages and benefits they receive and im not just talking about your 40 hour work week worker im also talking about those who retire from those big three. Someone check out pay scales and Benifits for an American Auto compony vs. a Foreign Auto compony you should notice a big difference. So if the studies show Americans focus on cost to purchase maybe we should also focus on cost to produce. It may make things easier to afford by making them cheaper to produce in our own country. Think about it as a whole, if the Unions didn't price their workers out of jobs here in America the Companies building and producing their products wouldn't have to go over seas. Companies are in business to make money, thats the bottom line, If they cant do that here they will go somewhere else. So to close, I'm really not sure Just Buying American would do it. I think the "I deserve everything" mentality in the Unions and Main Stream America has to change

I don't have all the answers to this financial mess we're all in. --- I really don't. --- But what I "DO KNOW" is that '1' out of every '6' JOBS in America is tied directly to the AUTO INDUSTRY. --- and if AMERICA isn't purchasing AMERICAN cars --- what do you expect?? --- The import purchasers (knowingly or not) knock other AMERICANS out of work. ----- Sooner-or-later, THOSE '1' out of '6' Americans you just put out of work IN-TURN are NOT going to buy YOUR product or service! ..... It became a viscious cycle over the last 20+ years ... but it all STARTED with thses FUC!ING FOREIGN CARS !! .... "Each and every import purchased took another job" ... The 'domino effect' spread into other industries. TODAY - ASK YOURSELF what product can you buy today that's MADE IN THE USA??? --- Are YOU willing to pay the few extra dollars it takes to keep your fellow countrymen (and ladies) working?? (probably not --- studies show --- American's focus on the COST --- and that's IT!!) --- We (as a nation) have been plunking down our hard earned dollars (supporting foreign economies) for s-o-o-o-o long that we've reached what is referred to as "THE TIPPING POINT" ..... It's going to be INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT to come back. We are now a DEBTOR NATION ... The Chinese and Oil producing nations CARRY OUR DEBT!! ... and - it's in the TRILLIONS!! --- HELLO? --- WAKE UP AMERICA!! ..... Buy products, goods and services MADE IN AMERICA! ... DEMAND them! ... SPEAK UP! ...

In times of war or uncertainty there is a special breed of warrior ready to answer our Nation’s call. A common man with uncommon desire to succeed. Forged by adversity, he stands alongside America’s finest special operations forces to serve his country, the American people, and protect their way of life. I am that man. Chopper Charlie

-----Inline Attachment Follows----- www.gunowners.org Jan 2004 Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict * Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.2 * Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.3 * As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.4 * Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.5 * Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6 And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."7 * Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year.8 Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials." B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime * Nationwide: one-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm away from home.9 * Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed: * States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%;10 and * If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.11 * Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission... without paying a fee... or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the union -- having three times received the "Safest State Award."12 * Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rates in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state.13 FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period -- thus putting the Florida rate below the national average. 14 * Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder. 1. During the first fifteen years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 229 to 155 margin. 2. And even the 155 "crimes" committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into res

WTF - 30 years ago my father made $20 an hour - now I make $30 but I cant afford shiT! - this is NFG!

Before Bush took office I had 4 tattoo shops in three states. Now I have one and my income is one fifth of what it was in 99. What does that tell me? Something changed and it was not for the best.

the Liberals deserve anything and everything they voted for,it's a shame the rest of us have to suffer under all that garbage,too!FEEL GOOD!!!!

The Constitution,and Capitalisim,and Individual Liberty is what made this Country great! Also a foundation built on A belief in GOD, GOD has already been expelled! "WE THE PEOPLE", must take back our country so our children won't live in a THIRD WORLD AMERICA!

Ya know I actually voted for Obama. But lets look at this realistically. J. Jackson cried. Oprah was so happy. Tiger Woods didn't think he would see it in his lifetime. Do we have to wait for a jap now to? All of these people have been terribly held down by the White regime. Only Woods has give anything back to the community in the tons of money he makes. Jesse keeps his but he does cry. Oprah opened a school in Africa, (where slavery goes on to this day), where is was inexpensive but does nothing with her hundreds of millions over here for the gang bangers. I hope it can be changed. I personally think Bush screwed up. Should have gone and gotten Saddam and left. But he wanted to continue being stupit. Obama is bringing in all the old school so his message of change is looking shakey. If he had picked hillary for a vice president I would have voted against him.

HERE IS THE REST OF IT FROM BELOW............. Goodbye to playing dress-up in flight suits, goodbye to strutting and posing and desperate sexual insecurity as a driver of American foreign policy. Goodbye to the neocons, so sinister and deluded they beg us all to become fevered conspiracy theorists. Goodbye to Guantanamo and its kangaroo courts. Goodbye to the use of torture as official U.S. government policy, and goodbye to the immoral ghouls who think you can rename it "enhanced interrogation techniques" and render it any less monstrous. Goodbye to the accusation that if you disagree with what the president wants to do, you don't "support the troops." Goodbye to stocking government agencies with people who are opposed to the very missions those agencies are charged with carrying out. Goodbye to putting industry lobbyists in charge of the agencies that are supposed to regulate those very industries. Goodbye to madly giving away public lands to private interests. Goodbye to a Food and Drug Administration that acts like a wholly owned subsidiary of the pharmaceutical industry, except when it acts like a wholly owned subsidiary of the fundamentalist puritans who believe that sex is dirty and birth control will turn girls into sluts. Goodbye to the "global gag rule," which prohibits any entity receiving American funds from even telling women where they can get an abortion if they need it. Goodbye to vetoing health insurance for poor children but rushing back to Washington to sign a bill to keep alive a woman whose cerebral cortex had liquefied. Goodbye to the ban on federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research. Goodbye to the philosophy that says that if we give tax cuts to the rich and keep the government from any oversight of the economy, prosperity will eventually trickle down. Goodbye to the thirst for privatizing Social Security and to the belief that the success of a social safety-net program is what makes it a threat and should mark it for destruction. Goodbye to the war on unions and to a National Labor Relations Board devoted to crushing them. Goodbye to the principle of loyalty above all else, that nominates Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court and puts Alberto Gonzales in charge of the Justice Department. And goodbye to that Justice Department, the one where U.S. attorneys keep their jobs only if they are willing to undertake bogus investigations of Democrats timed to hit the papers just before Election Day. Goodbye to a Justice Department where graduates of Pat Robertson's law school roam the halls by the dozens, where "justice" is a joke. Goodbye to James Dobson and a host of radical clerics picking up the phone and hearing someone in the White House on the other end. Goodbye to the most consequential decisions being made on the basis of one man's "gut," a gut that proved so wrong so often. Goodbye to the contempt for evidence, to the scorn for intellect and book learnin', to the relentless war on science itself as a means of understanding the world. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye to it all. Though President Obama will be spending most of his time cleaning up the mess George Bush made, we probably won't have Dubya to kick around anymore. It's hard to imagine Bush undertaking some grand philanthropic effort on the scale of the Clinton Global Initiative, or hopping around to international trouble spots like Jimmy Carter. Republicans won't be asking him to speak on their behalf, and publishers are reportedly uninterested in the prospect of a Bush memoir. His reign of destruction complete, Bush will return to Texas and fill his days with the mundane activities of a retiree - puttering around the yard, reading some magazines, maybe enjoying that new Xbox Jenna gave him for Christmas ("I'm the Decider, and I decide to spend this afternoon playing Call of Duty 4"). This presidency is finally over. We can say goodbye to an administration whose misdeeds have piled so high that the size of the mountain no longer shocks us. In our lifetimes, we will see administrations of var

Goodbye and Good Riddance Tuesday 11 November 2008 by Paul Waldman, The American Prospect After eight years of President Bush, we almost don't know how to function without him - almost. But before we move on, we should pause to remember just what we're leaving behind. Just over two years into George W. Bush's presidency, The American Prospect featured Bush on its cover under the headline, "The Most Dangerous President Ever." At the time, some probably thought it a bit over the top. But nearly six years later, it's worth taking a moment to reflect on the multifaceted burden that will soon be lifted from our collective shoulders. Since last week, I have stopped short and shaken my head in amazement every time I have heard the words "President-elect Obama." But it is equally extraordinary to consider that in just a few weeks, George W. Bush will no longer be our president. Let me repeat that: In just a few weeks, George W. Bush will no longer be our president. So though our long national ordeal isn't quite over, it's never too early to say goodbye. Goodbye, we can say at last, to the most powerful man in the world being such a ridiculous buffoon, incapable of stringing together two coherent sentences. Goodbye to cringing with dread every time our president steps onto the world stage, sure he'll say or do something to embarrass us all. Goodbye to being represented by a man who embodies everything our enemies want the people of the world to believe about America - that we are ignorant, cruel, and only care about foreign countries when we decide to stomp on them. Goodbye to his giggle, and his shoulder shake, and his nicknames. Goodbye to a president who talks to us like we're a nation of fourth-graders. And goodbye, of course, to Dick Cheney. Goodbye to the man whose naked contempt for democracy contorted his face to a permanent sneer, who spent his days in his undisclosed location with his man-sized safe. And while we're at it, goodbye to Cheney's consigliore David Addington, as malevolent a force as has ever left his trail of slime across our federal institutions. Goodbye, indeed, to the entire band of liars and crooks and thieves who have so sullied the federal government that belongs to us all. We can even say goodbye to those who have already gone, to Rummy and Scooter, to Fredo and Rove, tornados of misery left in their wake. Goodbye to the rotating cast of butchers manning the White House's legal abattoir, where the Constitution has been sliced and bled and gutted since September 11. Goodbye to the "unitary executive" theory and its claims that the president can do whatever he wants - even snatch an American citizen off the street and lock him up for life without charge, without legalrepresentation, and without trial. Goodbye to the promiscuous use of "signing statements" (1,100 at last count) to declare that the law is whatever the president says it is, and that he'll enforce only those laws he likes. Goodbye to an executive branch that treats lawfully issued subpoenas like suggestions that can be ignored. Goodbye to thinking of John Ashcroft as the liberal attorney general. Goodbye to the culture of incompetence, where rebuilding a country we destroyed could be turned over to a bunch of clueless 20-somethings with no qualifications save an internship at the Heritage Foundation and an opposition to abortion. Goodbye to the "Brownie, you're doin' a heckuva job" philosophy, where vital agencies are turned over to incompetent boobs to rot and decay. Goodbye to handing out the Medal of Freedom as an award for engineering one of the greatest screw-ups of our time. Goodbye to an administration that welcomed gluttonous war profiteering, that was only too happy to outsource every government function it could to well-connected contractors who would do a worse job for more money. Goodbye to the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war. Goodbye to the lust for sending off other people's sons and daughters to fight and kill and die just to show your daddy you're a real man. Goodbye to playin

Yea us REAL Tax payen AMERICANS ARE so SCREWED

B.O.N. Rules...! A LITTLE GUN HISTORY In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated ------------------------------ Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ---- ------------- ------------- Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------ It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this datum on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends. The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental. As John Steinbeck once said: 1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. 2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck. 3. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy. 4. W hen seconds count, the cops are just minutes a

You go Frog...!

I voted but I see they didn't count mine either... Hold on it's going to be a bumpy ride!

The analogy is absolutely right on . . Maxine tells it like it is!!!! I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed. What a beauty of a bird feeder it is, as I filled it lovingly with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue. Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table everywhere! Then some of the birds turned mean. They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket. And others birds were boisterous and loud. They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food. After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. So I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio. Soon, the back yard was like it used to be.... quiet, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal. Now let's see. Our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, and free education and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen. Then the illegal's came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families; you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor; your child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English. Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to 'press one' to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than 'Old Glory' are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties. Just my opinion, but maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder. If you agree, pass it on; if not, continue cleaning up the poop

frog...I'm with you all the way. I just hope we survive the next 4 years without losing all out freedoms.

first off, PRESIDENT Bush is not an idiot....goes to show how much some people really pay attention..second..for us in Georgia, dont forget the runoff between Chambliss and Martin, Dec. 2nd...Vote again!!...Hillary! OMG get a grip..how can anyone really want her near the White House again.....that's my girl in the attachments wearing the AF Uniform...she didn't get a vote, but she is willing to give her life anyway..I support the Armed Forces that protect this country we so recklessly abuse, the ones who fight for the freedom we have....you think you can make comments on this page because it is your right???...who do you think gave you that and fought for that, not the democrats.....

i voted and i like the outcome!! we needed a democrat in office. when theres a democrat in office the economy picks up, theres more jobs, the dedicit goes down and he has a great staff behind him, including hillary who has 8 yrs. experience in the white house. yes, i'm very happy. of course it will take a lot longer than 4 yrs. to undo the damage that that idiot bush caused. but o'bama will give it a good pust start!!!1

kyironrider- thats some funy shit

P.S. LAUGHED MY ASS OFF kyironrider

Still Proud to be an American, Not so proud of American Choices!! STILL PRAYING FOR GODS HAND ON OUR NATION!! EVIL WILL BE DEFEATED !!!!

Yes, I voted. It was really an emotional Election Day. A first. The people have spoken and we just need to remember ... "United We Stand, Divided We Fall." Don't be hatin'!!!

Hinckley to be released! You might recall that John Hinckley was a seriously deranged young man who shot President Reagan in the early 1980s. Hinckley was absolutely obsessed with movie star Jodie Foster, extremely jealous, and in his twisted mind, loved Jodie Foster to the point that to make himself well known to her, he attempted to assassinate President Reagan. There is speculation Hinckley is soon be released as having been rehabilitated. Consequently, you may appreciate the following letter from John McCain that the staff at the mental 20 facility, treating Hinckley , reports to have intercepted this past weekend: To: John Hinckley From: John McCain My wife and I wanted to drop you a short note to tell you how pleased we are with the great strides you are making in your recovery. In our fine country's new spirit of understanding and forgiveness, we want you to know there is a bilateral consensus of compassion and forgiveness throughout. My wife Cindy and I want you to know that no grudge is borne against you for shooting President Reagan. We, above all, are aware of how the mental stress and pain could have driven you to such an act of desperation. We are confident that you will soon make a complete recovery and return to your family to join the world again as a healthy and productive young man. Best Wishes, John and Cindy McCain PS: Barack Obama has been fucking the socks off of Jodie Foster. Thought you should know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vynzd9cpQRQ I bet you have not seen this video on the main stream media...

also check out obamacrimes.com make sure you watch the video

has anyone heard about Obama's court date dec.5th, if he cant prove his citizenship, he's out of a job.....check it out on youtube and API /african press international, they cant stand him either.....

Are we going to let this happen here?

What is the reason for the electoral college? then why do we get to vote if they use the electoral college anyway??? i dont get it

i voted but it didnt get counted I opt for a recount!!

My heritage is a mixture of German, Austrian, American Indian, and I think Irish....what kind of American does that make me....Heinz American? LOL! What ever happened to being American...and being proud to be an American...Period!? People came to this country, worked their asses off, learned English, learned american customs, and were proud to become American citizens. Now people come to this country and wait for everything to be handed to them on a silver platter...and expect the rest of us to learn their language so they can communicate. We can't pray in schools anymore...but they can have their prayer time because it is a part of their heritage and their customs. Am I Caucasion American? There...I think that's a good one! Let's start having Caucasion American celebrations! Oh wait....that would make us racists.....damn!

Yeah...what Deerslayer said....

Yes I voted and been saying heavy prayers sence!

yes i voted and god help us!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To Be White Someone finally said it. How many are actually paying attention to this? There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc. ...And then there are just - Americans. You pass me on the street And sneer in my direction. You Call me "White boy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman," ... And that's OK. But when I call you Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink ... You call me a racist. You say that whites commit a lot Of violence against you, So why are the ghettos the most Dangerous places to live? You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi. You have the NAACP. And you have BET. If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) ... We'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day ... You would call us racists. If we had White History Month ... We'd be racists. If we had any organization for only whites To "advance" OUR lives ... We'd be racists. We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, A Black Chamber of Commerce, And then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that? If we had a college fund that only gave White students scholarships ... You know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly-proclaimed Black-only Colleges in the US , Yet if there were "White-only Colleges" ... THAT would be a racist college. In the Million Man March, You believed that you were Marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, ... You would call us racists. You are proud to be black, Brown, yellow and orange, And you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride ... You call us racists. You rob us, Carjack us, And shoot at us. But, when a white police officer Shoots a black gang member Or beats up a black drug-dealer Who is running from the LAW and Posing a threat to ALL of society ... You call him a racist. I am proud. ... But, you call me a racist. Why is it that only Whites Can be racists?

Right on....! Glad to be surrounded by so many patriotic Americans. I voted and voted for the truth for God for America for our gun rights and for the unborn.McCain wasnt the best, but WHO could vote for such a person with a track record like Obama's..? Oh ya, I forgot its all about the almighty dollar.... God help us. God bless our Troops...We love you...!!!!

I definately voted!

Yes I voted.

I voted for McCain. Want to see how NoBama got elected? Watch the video.

Yes, I always vote.

Yes, I voted. I was brought up in the Navy and know I must do my part and hope for the best. This country was and is in serious financial trouble. I don't know how it will be saved from itself. All we as citizens can do is vote and support whoever wins. Right or wrong we are in their hands. Always remember, IN GOD WE TRUST.

I voted...did you? I am proud to show support and respect for our veterans and present troops that have the attitude as vagabondslullaby who served our country with pride. Thank you Vagabondslullaby for serving our country with honor...with the same attitude as Senator John McCain!!!!

I sure as hell voted!!!! Man are we in trouble now, and I am scared to death for our country!!!! I voted for Hilary and I think she was screwed out of the Democratic nomination. Man are we going to hit the bottom of the shitter with Obama as president!!!!!!!!!!!

--- . HEADLINES FROM THE YEAR: 2029 Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest country in the world, Mexifornia,formerly known asCalifornia . White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's third language. Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United States crops and livestock. Baby conceived naturally! Scientists stumped. Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage. Iranstill closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels. France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica . No other country comes forward to help the beleaguered nation! Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking. George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036. Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only. 85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and exercise is the key to weight loss. Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs. Global cooling blamed for citrus crop failure for third consecutive year in Mexifornia and Floruba. Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter speed they now can photograph a woman with her mouth shut. Abortion clinics now available in every High School in United States . Senate still blocking drilling in ANWR even though gas is selling for 4532 Pesos per liter and gas stations are only open on Tuesdays and Fridays. Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative. Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights. Average height of NBA players is now nine feet, seven inches. New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2030. IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent. Floruba voters still having trouble with voting machines. Now, send this to whomever you want and as many as you want, then, guess what....NOTHING will happen. No miracles, no money, absolutely nothing, except you might make someone smile. I Love This Country! It's The Government That Scares Me! ____________________________

I voted, so I can bitch

vagabondslullaby ,,ya man didn't you hear also the gov't blew holes in the levees in New Orleans too,,, and of course we nuked the Indian Ocean to create the tidal wave,to wipe them out,,, ha ha FUCKING HA lol,,,,,,,,, of course the man that said all that is Rev. Farengon< the head of the Islamic Cult here in the USA..what amazes me to no end is,,,PEOPLE ,,,ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT CRAP,,,,,, amazing,,ABSOLUTLY AMAZING ,,,,BE SAFE my Fellow Patriots,,we will rise above it,,,Good always prevails over Evil..always ;)

Yes, I voted. What's to say? A choice between shit & the shitter. I'm not complaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao5V66m5FaA

yes I voted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbCf4l1dtDc

yes i voted.

check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9pVdl2aDQI

Point of this article* Let me point out a few interesting dynamics and personality types that I have observed when it comes to the American people and their attitudes towards the official body of evidence as it pertains to 9/11 culpability. The One-Way highway - This is the term I use for the one-way phenomenon of people altering their beliefs about 9/11 culpability. During the seven years of post 9/11 life and during the five years of my research into the events of 9/11, I have neither witnessed or heard of anyone who realized that 9/11 was a false flag operation carried out by moles within the Unites States military and intelligence apparatus, and then switched positions and started believing the official story. I have not even heard about one single human being, who, after examining enough evidence to conclude that 9/11 was an inside job, reversed their position. People, when told about some of the evidence not discussed by the establishment media, change their position so that it aligns with the facts. The willfully ignorant - These are terms I use for people who ignore history and everything around them and vehemently believe that America is the most wonderful nation in the world that has never and will never do wrong. They also believe that America is a real democracy and that the voting public has an actual say in things. Too funny. Anyway, these people, when shown the mountains of evidence eventually run out of counter arguments and accept the fact that the evidence is overwhelming and pointing at the Bush crime family, but fall back on the old "I still don't believe that they would do such a thing!" The invincible ignorant- This is what I call the people who defend the official story by offering explanations that the authors of the official story don't even claim. They provide theoretical scenarios and reasoning that have never been put forward by the officials. Just as an example - any day of the week you can hear someone, on some talk radio or TV program, talk about the 19 hijackers or Osama bin Laden or "Owl-kater, when it comes to 9/11. Well, according to the F.B.I the Osama is not wanted in connection with 9/11 because they have no evidence linking him to the events. And as far as the hijackers...7 of them are alive and the F.B.I. admitted that they do not have conclusive proof of who, if anybody, hijacked planes on 9/11. But the counter theorists keep spouting this crap.( Perhaps misinformation agents or just plain stupid) The Hand washers- These are people, mostly Jewish people who have seen the 9/11 evidence, understand and accept that it was indeed an inside job, but will stop all communication with you if there is any mention of possible Israeli or Mossad connections brought up. You can spot these people because they use the term "anti-Semite" to identify anyone who exposed any wrongdoing by an Israeli or by individuals who are working in the interest of Israel. The La la flower children- These are the people who look at people like me and say that they realize that the government lied to them about 9/11 but the ramifications are too much for them to handle. So they just go about their lives, picking flowers and ignoring all around them.(Gee, what can I do about it) Sadly, many of these people are parents and don't seem to give a damn what kind of world they are passing down to their children and their childrens children. (mom,were grandpa and grandma evil or just stupid?) THERE WAS NO ORIGINAL INVESTIGATION! We don't need to re-open one, we need to have one! The job of the Kean Commission was to document the events as outlined in the prepared official story. Any evidence or testimony that did not corroborate the official story was to be left out. This was a rule of the Commission! Their mandate was to make recommendations on how to improve national security, not to find fault or blame and surely not to investigate! US - We are the people who see what is and what might be, by seeing what has been. Speak out now or forever hold your peace. We are the country our parents w

Yes I have voted, and I necourge all others to vote but also to let their rep.s in washington know how they feel about things going on in this cournty. write your Senators and congressmen and women and tell them how it eally is in this country. be heard, be apart , be an american. I do care who runs this country and I don't care what color of their skin is, as long as they help our nation whats that got to do with anything. BE HEARD!!!

I voted for the future of this country to succeed NOBAMA

Yes i voted!!! Unfortunately for all of us the boy that Big money has bought and paid for to be our leader has once again been successfully placed to be the leader of our land. Just as Bush belonged to the Arabs not only in the investments in companies that manufactured war time equiptment... and was in the pockets of big investment banks to allow them to use all info reported to the credit bureaus to jack your interest sky high.. Now we have an Obamanation and we will get to pay a UN tax to help his turbin wearing friends... ACORN sure helped power this election and just as the greed of the big businesses has lead them to the fall that they are seeing now... Im sure things will continue to bottom out till oil is $33 a barrell... and at the pumps we pay $1 or less... that was the place where the economy began to fall.... because the ridiculous prices we paid have eroded away the profits that we all had to be able to spend on goods that all of these companies needed to survive... WE can only make the best of this situation... and hope this golden oy can do better than the last bought and paid for guy...

I am a conservative before a Republican, and I did vote. The Republican party will have the next 2 years (2010)to try and get back to being the party of reform. Lets make sure that O'bama does not try to enact the "Fairness Doctrine" or people like L-Rushmo, Sean Hannity will be silenced. Sad thing is that left sided media like NBC, CNN, etc. would be excluded. We will give Obama his time, we shall back him as the true Americans we are. Lets hope he doesn't raise the flag of surrender for all those valiant lives would of been lost for nothing and the middle east will never be the same again. I for one don't want to see my granddaughter wearing a Berka. Obama did not win by a landslide. There will be 57 million of us watching him closely. In the meantime hold on to your wallets, watch as the flood gates open for more welfare programs. I personally would rather show someone how to catch a fish instead of waiting for one to be given to him. God Bless America and the trrops.

Great turn out, but we should do better than 65% next time. Also too much bullshit e-mails. I have gotton to check everything on snopes before repeting, or passing on. hopefully things will get better. if not I will be e-mailing my congress men/ senator, reminding them 2yrs we vote again. and to the president do right 4yrs comes fast. this election just might have been a bit of an wake up call for washington. I an already e-mailing them on the bail out pakage. If I scew up at my job I get fired, no extras, just gone. I haven't got a raise over a year because ov the ecomomy, and they still get a bonus. bull shit. I say bailout, give it back. I could go on. just lets keep a close eye on what is happing in washington, and let them know we are wathching. just my .02 worth

I am proud to show support and respect for our veterans and present troops that have the attitude as vagabondslullaby who served our country with pride. Thank you Vagabondslullaby for serving our country with honor...with the same attitude as Senator John McCain!!!!

Journalist predicts Obama will change voting rules Quin Hillyer, an associate editor at the Washington Examiner, writes the following regarding Saul Alinsky, who was a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER and organized the Industrial Areas Foundation in CHICAGO: Excerpt from his book Rules for Radicals – “You take power and then you change the rules so that once you've got power, it's very tough to get it away from you." Hillyer says the Obama administration can change the rules in a number of ways, including empowering groups like ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which was at the center of much pre-election debate about alleged voter fraud. "Now that [Obama's] in power, they will -- I'm sure -- change the election laws even more to make it even easier to register people and to let people vote without proper identification," he explains. "They basically rig things at the ballot box -- that's number one. Number two, they will use the power of the state." According to Hillyer, that involves using regulatory agencies like the Internal Revenue Service, the Environmental Protection Agency, and even the Justice Department to crack down on the administration's enemies. Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 11/12/2008 8:50:00 AM

The following article relating to our security was copied from One News Now: "Today we have missile defense interceptors in Alaska, and we have them in California. And if North Korea fired a missile at us, we could shoot it down," he contends. "But if we went by the 'Obama rules' and said we're not going to field anything until it's perfect, then today America would be defenseless against a North Korean threat. So that just doesn't pass the common sense test."

Yes I voted

Yup, I voted

Damn right I voted, we don't have any power if we don't vote.

All I know is I voted and not toooooooooo happy with who was voted in. Nothing I can do about it but walk tall and be proud to be an American

I voted in this election and all I can say now is "God help Us All"!

Nice bike joe...Is this your first?

Here is an email I received from a co-worker today: A worried woman went to her gynecologist and said: 'Doctor, I have a serious problem and desperately need your help! My baby is not even 1 yr. old and I'm pregnant again. I don't want kids so close together.' So the doctor said: 'Ok, and what do you want me to do?' She said: 'I want you to end my pregnancy, and I'm counting on your help with this. The doctor thought for a little, and after some silence he said to the lady: 'I think I have a better solution for your problem. It's less dangerous for you too.' She smiled, thinking that the doctor was going to accept her request. Then he continued: 'You see, in order for you not to have to take care of 2 babies at the same time, let's kill the one in your arms. This way, you could rest some before the other one is born. If we're going to kill one of them, it doesn't matter which one it is. There would be no risk for your body if you chose the one in your arms. The lady was horrified and said: 'No doctor! How terrible! It's a crime to kill a child!' I agree', the doctor replied. 'But you seemed to be ok with it, so I thought maybe that was the best solution. The doctor smiled, realizing that he had made his point. He convinced the mom that there is no difference in killing a child that's already been born and one that's still in the womb. The crime is the same! If you agree, please forward. Together we can help save precious lives! AMEN Amen Amen Amen

vagabondslullaby: love all your posts but really, really loved this one...11/13/2008 6:21:42 AM love poetry

vagabondslullaby ...I just saw your post....Great words...Thank you too...

joe softail: this is how it is suppose to be...ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. If you don't understand, look it up. If that doesn't make any sense, ask a REAL VETERAN to explain it to you.

^j^LocoAngel_flyn2close^j^ ...I'm with you man...And evodemon aka mad mark...I salute you...you have my respect...you have the attitude of a TRUE veteran...Thank you

I was a little taken aback by the "You all owe me" comment also. I am grateful to all the men and women who have fought in order for me to enjoy my freedom and I have all the respect in the world for them. I know we owe our freedom to all of them. I thank them whenever I get the chance. To see someone say "You all owe me" in that way is....I don't really know what to say...

Im all for gun control. load, relax, aim, fire! repeat step 1! Thats gun control! Iam making Christmas ornaments with Obama on them so we can all hang a nigger from a tree this year!! lol

Its about time we got rid of that murdering animal in the white house . you tell me why went into that war in the first place .and dont give me 9 11 cause even the pig in washington said IRAQ had nothing to do with it . you all were fooled and lied to and you were all so busy waving flags you were blinded by that flag .over 4000 dead GIs. i ve always wondered why bikers in general run around waving flags and just go along with whatever this govt feeds you , you ve been lied to so many times but you all still fall for the bull shit . be free think for yourself that is what i always thought a biker was . by the way im a vet and i served in the U S ARMY . SO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE NOT VETS OWE ME JOE

My post regarding the American Flag was cut off so I am posting this section: Imagine a Commander-in-Chief that doesn't even know when to salute the US Flag, or perhaps just doesn't want to. Each day on military installations across the US a group of eight military personnel meet at approximately at 05:00 and begin to prepare to raise the flag. The flag is taken from Division head quarters, where it had been placed carefully and with much respect the evening before to stay guarded throughout the night, and is carried to the flag pole. Each Solider that the flag passed on it's way, has to salute the flag as it passes by. In one of the most honorable ceremonies that military personnel have the privilege to take part in at 06:00 the cannon fires, then the bugle call Reveille is played and the flag is raised to full mast. Don't be mistaken, every fine American citizen in the United States Military salutes it when they either hear the cannon fire or hear Reveille being played. Also at the close of business each day the second part of this ceremony takes place. At 17:00 the bugle call Retreat is played and the flag is lowered and then stored for the night. When Retreat is played everyone stops what they are doing, faces head quarters, comes to the position of attention and salutes the flag again. This happens each day in the military, and each person in the military salutes with pride knowing that they have honorably served this nation for another day. THERE ARE SOME TYPES OF CHANGE THAT WE DON'T NEED.

I too thanked my Dad for being a vet and for fighting to keep this country free. It never occurred to me...until the last few years that my Dad is a veteran too and when I observe Veterans Day he is the first one I should thank. Kinda weird, huh?

Why can we post videos in our comments here...but not graphics or photos?

Why does it keep telling me I need to log in? Grrrrr! Anyhow.....another good video Magic Man....Thank you!

In light of the recent appeals court ruling in California , with respect to the Pledge of Allegiance, the following recollection from Senator John McCain is very appropriate: 'The Pledge of Allegiance' - by Senator John McCain 'As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room. This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home. One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian Mike came from a small town near Selma , Alabama . He didn't wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country and our military provide for people who want to work and want to succeed. As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing. Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed on the inside of his shirt. Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance. I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event. One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it. That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours. Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could. The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room. As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting t here beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag. He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country. So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world. You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country.' 'I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' Remember this picture on election day! Let's all remember this on election day...if you have family serving in the military, make sure you send it along. I usually don't forward many things, but please consider this when you vote next Tuesday. Imagine a Commander-in-Chief that doesn't even know when to salute the US Flag, or perhaps just doesn't want to. Each day on military installations across the US a group of eight military personnel meet at approximately at 05:00 and begin to prepare to raise the flag. The flag is taken from

Thank you Magic Man that too was a very moving video. Thanks for sharing...

SO TOTALLY EVODEMON's aka Mad Mark's woman ...I would like to thank you for the video you posted...I haved woked 12 hours to day and didn't have time to think of our veterans today and this video made me want to thank a veteran so I called my dad and thanked him for his WWII service....again thank you...

Great song and video! U S N 1974 -1978

wow its so quiet here today.. I miss you guys lol

Wow!! ... That was BEAUTIFUL! --- (one of those ones that give ya' the 'Chill Bumps') --- Thanks for sharing it with us all.

WOW that was AMAZING! Amen! Thank you for taking the time to share that with us.

AMEN!

GOD BLESS AMERICA and to all VETERANS... THANK YOU FOR MY FREEDOM

Wild, I agree it's not going to be candy and spice for the next 4 years....I think there is a lot of hell to come...and I have all the respect in the world for the men and women who defend this country in order for us to have the right to say what we feel. I have a family member who's name is on the wall. And I respect everyone's right to come here and voice their opinion. I didn't mean to insult anyone here. When I posted that, I was having a bad time with a personal loss that comes back and hits me in the gut....or the heart...once in awhile and it made me stop and think about what is important to me. Our country is very important to me....but I have other things that are important to me too....my family....and living life to it's fullest...something I pray we'll always have the freedom to do. If we stand together we can defend the rights we have....and maybe we'll have to do that. But for now....for me...this ride is getting too heavy, too repetitive... and too long and I need to head off on the road less traveled and find some personal peace of mind.

ALWAYS DID ALWAYS WILL

Locoangel...I am with ya! All this fussing and fighting is just serving to divide us.....We all are Americans and proud of it! No matter what happens in Washington, we should still be enjoying the things that make us free.....like Dakota keeps saying...UNITED WE STAND! no matter what...we are all Americans. Give peace a chance....and respect one another.

kyironrider wrote at 11/9/2008 2:31:14 PM I bet the good people of Australia were saying the same thing as "Ryder" right up until they took their guns. We have a lot of people in this country that are just as naive. The problem is that some people don't wake up until its too late. They prefer to call the enlightened ones paranoid. ............have a bro IRON[in OZ as they call it] had his scoot stolen after all that happened....armed robberys/rapes/assaults now [GO FIGURE HA] are thru the roof after the buy back ..... j^LocoAngel_flyn2close^j^ ...with all do respect,,,,, when MY Country as well as the other Patriots here on this thread... are concerned about the God givin' Rights under the Bill of Rights are threatened[possibility],,, theres a time to Step up and voice My and the Other Patriots opinions....... will the new President even Salute the Marines at his frt door as for over 230 years the past ones have ? ? ?.. with no Military exsperience,,, he will have to taught how to Salute,,,,even he even does Salute or even will...how about boarding Marine 1.. i am not a Military Vet,,i missed Nam by the skin of my teeth,,, but i saw many,,MANY die after they returned,,,my self proclaimed Mission is to make sure NO VETERAN, has to feel the pain i saw in their eyes...my Mission will never be OVER till i have no breathe in ME,,,,, NEVER WILL IT BE OVER,,, when i had to pick them up off the road,,off the bar room floor because NO ONE gave a SHIT.. i will complete my God giving Mission till i DIE..........j^LocoAngel_flyn2close^j^... my first words were,,,with all due respect,, not trying to yank your chain and i can see maybe i was ,,,but i ain't...i am just sick and tired of the left ,,thinking that its going to be nothing but candy and spice for the next 4 years..........................think about this OK people if FDR hadn't done a 3rd term and we would of elected a Japanesse American,,it would been a disgrace to the over 250,000 American Sons that died in WW2,,and most likely we could NOT,could NOT even have a thread like this ,,,,be safe, and MAY God be with US,,,,wild

^j^LocoAngel_flyn2close^j^, I had actually done just that, over the weekend I had been out injoying the ride and then I came back to this and someone had mentioned my name, so I dived right back in the middle of it again, lol. You are right. It's not really what we all came here for. I am through with it. Of course I thought I was through with it when I explained or thought I explained my perspective on things.

All I know is...life is too fucking short to sit here and argue our beliefs on an internet forum....I learned that the hard way...believe me. We can all argue until we're blue in the face and it won't change what we believe. But, regardless of our political or religious differences...we all came this BON website for one reason...to meet new friends and talk about what we love...riding! We all have one thing in common...we love the open road, the wind in our faces, the rumble of the pipes, and the feeling of all that power under us. I'm moving on to something that makes my heart smile.

If ya don't know what the fuck you're voting for, and you don't give a flying fuck, ain't no skin off my knees if you don't want to stand in a line and maybe your vote counts or maybe it doesn't. You've got a 50/50 shot, right? Personaly, I'm NOT a student(fan) of the electoral college. It's my belief it's just another "loop hole" in our system. I mean I don't believe my vote counted in Mississippi. And I certainly wasn't going to stand in ANOTHER LONG ASS POLITICAL LINE for the fuckin government AGAIN! You know what, if you want to vote, then fuckin vote. If you don't want to vote, then don't fuckin vote! I will not think any more or less of you in that regard and if you can condemn a 2x war vet that's been there, it's your right to do so. It's also my right to issue you the govt issue, usda approved middle finger's that luckily for me are still attached on BOTH my hands! You wanted my opinion, well ya got it. Just like your everyday asshole, aye! I told ya so! PEACE!!!!!! And Bill, 2steps. Remember.... You're brothers man! WTF!

well the simple answer is that most people don't approve of congress, anytime, no matter who is in charge of it or no matter who the President is. They just don't approve of congress. I don't know what else to say about it. You brought it up. All I said was that anyone of us could pull approval ratings as high as our current President has.

So instead of responding to approval rating of congress, you thought you'de type something stupid? Smooth move 2 steps.

No Bill, I don't have an answer to everything but I am glad you think so highly of me that you would think that I did. Thank you.

Dakota...not sure of the ages of your kids. But check into something. I claimed my son till he was 20 yrs old. He only had small jobs and didn't file taxes. Therefore under NC laws I was able to claim him. And for the record. I don't mind that we now have a black president. I'm pissed off that the "American" voters voted him in BECAUSE he is black.

Believe me Dakota, I agree with you on that. I know its been around for along time but it's time to get rid of it, but instead Obama pretty much used it as his platform. If he cuts taxes for the top 94%, and 40% of those don't even pay taxes then that means they are getting welfare. But...with Obama going to use Executive Order to override the Bush tax cuts, then anyone making over $42,500 is going to see a tax increase...there's going to be a lot of pissed off people...

No, what doesn't make sense is that the current congress is the lowest for any congress in 34 years...but I'm sure you'll have the answer for that too

well I can't help that it doesn't make any sense, But the approval rating for congress is always low.

and the other thing that I think is BS is that I can't even write off my kids on my taxes because they are all over 18. Someone should look into that. Just because they turn 18 doesn't mean you kick them out the door instantly. You still have to feed and house them. Even if they have a job, the way the jobs are out here sucks. They give you a rotating schedule so that you can't even get a second job if you wanted to and with what they get paid they can't afford to live... so where do they end up staying... home where else....but I can't even write them off now thats bullshit.

Good Morning Bill....you made a statement last night I never got a chance to respond to"....and this crap of people that don't even pay taxes are going to get check under obamas wealth redistrabution theory doesn't sit well with me. Not only is it wrong to those who bust their ass working but its the same thing as buying votes." This is not a new policy that Obama is going to implement. This has been around for a while now. I use to work with a woman that was on welfare for a while and then she started to work in the office I was managing. She got 900.00 a month rental assistance. I never had a problem with that as she needed the help. However 1 year she needed help doing her taxes and ask if I could help her so I did. After doing her taxes even though she only worked part time and was receiving all that rental assistance she ended up getting a return of over 4000.00. Now what pissed me off was 1 she didn't have to pay a dime in taxes, 2 she got more back that what she had even put in which I thought was bullshit as I was working hard and so was my husband and we had to pay taxes but the worst insult was she used the extra money to go visit a friend in California instead of using it for something important or saving it for a rainy day when she needed the help.

Wow 2Steps, you have answers for everything...hope the next one makes some sense!

Congress' approval ratings are always low. It's never made any difference who was in charge or who the president is, their ratings are always low.

ok well its been a blast. I am glad we found some middle ground here tonight. Maybe we can start a movement to change the voting process. Have a great night, I have to go post some funny stuff on my friends walls cuz they sent me some good stuff today. You can never laugh too much! Everyone have a great week.

and to use your favorite quote :Ignorance is curable, stupidity lasts a lifetime! Or my husbands: Stupidity should be painful. I am a firm believer of removing all warning labels... if you need a label that tells you not to stop a chainsaw with your hands or groin.. you deserve to find out on your owm hahahaha

exactly... lol hahahahaha

or here is a better Idea you take all the main topics of importantance the main issues and you have to check the ones you support. at the end it cast the vote for you based on which candidates issued you believed in most. this would stop people from voting for someone by party or race. If you honestly wanted to have your candidate elected you would have to do your homework before voting.. true?

I don't mind dumb people voting, but they should have to at least paid taxes to have a say.

hahaha seems like me and Vega had the same thoughts

LMFAO thanks for the link to those interviews with Howard. Henceforth this is my entire point on this thread. People are just friggin dumb. What those people answered is as dumb as saying Obama is Muslim or the Anti-Christ or that he will be sworn on in on the Koran. Saying they would vote for Obama for the reasons they stated is as dumb as saying you would vote for him cuz he is Muslim. I never claimed Obama is or will be the perfect President and as someone said before if we all had the same opinion how boring would that be. I have a thought I think you may all agree on.... Maybe before you cast your ballot you should have to answer an intellegence quiz, basic things like who is running whats their VP's name and some yes or no's on their views if you fail you dont get to vote and that would stop stupid people from doing stupid things... don't you agree? lol

Holy shit vaga, I haven't heard about those stern interviews, just listend to them. Way to funny...and sad at the same time.

No thanks Kylady that site is one sided period.

I get my news from www.onenewsnow.com not from the liberal media. This is the only source I trust.

Yeah vaga, but Cheyney was screwed either way. What if he shot at that close range and missed. There would just as many jokes coming from the left. Oh yeah, I'll vote for ya 2012 just for the sake of pissing off 2Steps.

well Cheney is a nimrod too. As far as Politifact.com they don't take sides Period if Obama said something that wasn't true they posted it as well as McCain. So yeah it was one of the sources I considered reliable. Sarah may have intimidated other women but she didn't intimidate this one. I would have had more respect for McCain if he had made a VP selection of someone with more intellegence rather then this bimbo just to try and get Hillarys votes. Bad bad Choice McCain.. I believe that this was one of his biggest mistakes and it cost him the election

Yeah vaga, but Cheyney was screwed either way. What if he shot at that close range and missed. There would just as many jokes coming from the left. Oh yeah, I'll vote for ya 2012 just for the sake of pissing off 2Steps.

Each election year we hear this lament from our readers suffering the barrage of campaign rhetoric: “just gimme the truth.” That’s the mission of PolitiFact. The St. Petersburg Times of Florida and Congressional Quarterly of Washington, D.C. – two of America’s most trusted, independent newsrooms – have created the site to help voters separate fact from falsehood in the 2008 presidential campaign. Journalists and researchers from the Times and CQ will fact-check the accuracy of speeches, TV ads, interviews and other campaign communications. We’ll publish new findings every day on PolitiFact.com, and list our sources for all to see.

ok ky if you say so... lol

Good one Bill...

2Steps, what is the approval rating of congress....Oh, forgot, the Democrats hold power there and has an 18% or lower approval rating, lower than Bush...you forgot to mention that.

I wouldn't base any facts on this politifact.com either. Politifact is the web's version of the National Inquirer.

NO mrs ky I wouldnt and i dont base my facts on you tube videos either darlin. There is plenty of documented evidence of this statement though.

I haven't hunter since the mid 80's and I've never done it from the air or a stand for that matter. The wife still hunts however. Last year after spending a cold day in the woods and coming up empty she decided to call it day and headed back to her dads land to pack up. While standing in his garage she saw a big doe cross the field. So she popped open a window and shot it. It tasted just as good as any deer thats been stalked through the woods. So whats what your point. I have yet to meet a hunter that has a problem with shooting any game from the air...unless of course they need a reason to hate Palin.

I have a friend who has been buying guns and ammo--he got a letter that his phone has been tapped--for what ever that means.

Dakota: If you saw a you tube video of Sarah Palin flying through the air on a broom, would that make her a witch?

In 2007, the state wanted to kill between 382 and 664 wolves, but the nearly 200 permitted hunters had shot only about 100 wolves as the hunting season neared its April 30 end. High fuel prices and limited snowfall made it hard to track the animals, so Palin’s administration offered the $150 per wolf as an extra incentive “to motivate permittees to redouble their efforts and to help offset the high cost of aviation fuel,” the release states. The organization behind the ad, along with other environmental groups, filed a lawsuit to stop the payments because wildlife bounties were outlawed in 1984. About 40 wolves were killed after the bounty was offered, but the payments were never made to hunters. The judge struck down the incentive program 10 days after it was announced, Barry said. Politifact.com

Yes I am and damn proud of it...

are you for real Kyironrider?

The last eight years is proof enough that anyone can pretend to be the President of the United States. Any one of us could probaly pull as high of an approval rating as he has.

I laughed my ass off watching this you tube video...any one that could believe this will fall for any thing....wake up people use some common sense...

i'm very conservative(right winger), and McCain wasn't conservative enough for me, but my only choice at that point! My biggest fears of an Obama presidency is his opinions & interpitations on the Constitution! also what he can potentially do to the supreme court! republicans pick conservative leaning judges and some have drifted leftward, he'll pick lefties that will speed to the left! the conservative wing of the republican party better "beat" the MODERATE'S into submission and reestablish dominace of the party inorder to go on and defeat the Dems in 2012!but until then President Obama is our president!

>Brutal: Sarah Palin's Record on Aerial Wolf Hunting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU

so what your saying is you thinking hunting an animal from a helicopter is fair Bill, rather then stalking the animal on his level in his turf, where you have to be as smart as him to even get close enough to get a shot... Bill have you ever hunted?

damn she must be a hell of a shot to even get close to hitting a target from a helicopter and I wonder if the game would stay still with a helicopter over head???

Fair and square defined by your standards? Now people can't decide how to hunt either or am I missing something?

Without a sense of humor ya won't get much out of life that's for sure! And no...I can't write my name...lmao! A girlfriend and I did try to pee off the back deck standing up though...it wasn't pretty. But I bet with determination and practice...and maybe less alcohol...we could do it! Lol!

to be honest I have never tried but this winter i'll give it a shot and I'll get back to you on it... lol I am not condeming her for hunting. I said I don't believe in hunting animals from a helicopter. Get your sorry ass on the ground and stalk and hunt the animal fair and square. I use to hunt not only with a gun but with a bow as well.

Ok, then why condem Palin for hunting?

Body Statistics It takes your food seven seconds to get from your mouth to your stomach. One human hair can support 3 kg (6 lb). The average man's penis is three times the length of his thumb. Human thighbones are stronger than concrete. A woman's heart beats faster than a man's. There are about one trillion bacteria on each of your feet. Women blink twice as often as men. The average person's skin weighs twice as much as the brain. Your body uses 300 muscles to balance itself when you are standing still. If saliva cannot dissolve something, you cannot taste it. Women reading this will be finished now. Men who read this are probably still busy checking their thumbs LMAO

its ok Loco I like a good comeback just like the rest of them. Humor makes the BS in this world easier to deal with.

LMAO! Sorry.....just couldn't resist!

I bet I can pee farther than you can....

Hey Bill go back and re-read my post. Veggie burgers what part of I use to HUNT did you not get. My husband has been an avid hunter all his life. I probably know how to cook venison better then you could ever dream of. And hunting from a helicopter is for pussys period

Let's hope we never have that freedom taken away.

We could all argue about these things forever and never come to an agreement about any of it. It just shows how different we all are and that we all have our own opinions. We are all entitled to our own opinions. I'm thankful we live in a country where we have the freedom to express our opinions...and the freedom to differ. Geeze....how boring would it be if we all believed the same way?

Ok Dakota, let's talk Palin. But if you're going to do it, speak with facts. She appeared bad in TWO interviews, both were edited. She committed one sin that seems to be unforgivable in the country and that is that she appeared bad on TV. Much like Ross Perot's VP nom. Admerial Stockdale. Like McCain he was a POW and had his eardrums bust up bad. When he couldn't hear the questions and had to turn up his hearing aid he was made a foll of on Saturday Night Live. Abused her power to avenge her sister...sorry, the day before the election she was vindicated....move on to a new subject please. She doesn't believe in abortion but does not push her belief off on others but has no problem stating her beliefs rather than hide behind them. Sure, she hunts animals from helicopters, not planes. But its legal and yes its fair. If you want veggie burgers, no problem, nobody cares so don't condem a meat eater. She was more qualified than Obama was, no question about it but yet it became a question. If she was 250lb fugly, she's motivated enough to drop the tonnage and clean herself up.

As I was reading about "what if" Palin was left to be president "if" McCain had been elected and died...I also was thinking...well "if" Obama should die for some reason...and we all know that is a huge possiblility...Biden will be the president. Yeah....that would be so much better.....NOT! I think Palin has the drive it takes to do whatever would be placed upon her shoulders!

KY I am anything but a sheep thank you. and Bill Really? Lets give the Obama subject a rest for a minute. Lets talk Palin. When asked any question that she was not briefed on she was a bumbling idiot. She tried to abuse her power to avenge her sister. She believes whether raped or not a woman should not have a right to an abortion. She believes in hunting wolves and other animals from planes... (oh thats fair) you don;t have the brains or balls to get in the animals environment and hunt them fair and square.. pffft pansies. I use to hunt before my children were born. Yup thats right I own guns, hunt, fished, camped and ride my motorcycle. I am no libral SUV driving mom lol. I am in no way saying I would never want to see a woman in the white house as President or VP but she was a plain idiot. I bet if she was 250 lbs and fugly not one of you guys would be saying to elect her...

I'de rather have Palin in the office. She's not the person the liberal press made her out to be and a hell of a lot better to look at. I'de probably not fall asleep during the State Of The Union speaches!

Dakota sometimes it is necessary to feed the angry wolf in order to defeat the evil adversary...so that sheep like you won't be eaten by the wolf in sheeps clothing...

Nah Vaga I wasn't saying that "you" said anything racist I was just saying that as a general statement because I have heard so much on this post and another one about WHITE PRIDE. As far as those people who think the gov't should take care of them because its owed to them well pffft I don't even want to get into the topic. I just think we all need to work together. Period.

....and this crap of people that don't even pay taxes are going to get check under obamas wealth redistrabution theory doesn't sit well with me. Not only is it wrong to those who bust their ass working but its the same thing as buying votes.

Vaga that last statement you and I agree on. The government has programs to help people in need but its not suppose to become a way of making a living for life. If a woman or man for that matter find themself divorced and left to care for the kids and have no choice but to get on welfare to feed their kids while they look for a better way to make their life work great. But to the mother who is on welfare and continuing to have kids while in that position I say they don't deserve the help. Its not the program that doesn't work its the people running the program, things need to be changed period. I am proud to be an American and being "white" has nothing to do with it. There are many in this country who have different religions or races and they are just as proud to call America their home. Last I check the men and women in IRAQ come in all different races and have different religions. There are black men amd woman fighting for our country as well as white men and woman.

Here's their answer to over population......http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/090407bioweapons.htm

Since the topic at hand is gun control, everyone needs to read this information. Then come back and talk about it. http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/fema_plan_use_pastors_pacify_for_martial_law.htm........http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2006/260406likelyterrorists.htm......

Fancey words 2steps, I can see why you carry a gun.

and Slugger although that was a great story it was just that a STORY. People write books all the time and make statements or use analogies to get "their" point across. Did you ever play the game telephone as a child? Same shit. Each person as they pass the story around changes it just a little bit to make the statement they want to make. I would like to know what country he came from, who was trying to take it over and if he thinks America is so doomed then why the hell did he come here.

Oh and let's not give Hookers and strippers a bad name by comparing them to politicians.

I think I know what 2step was trying to say about how they look. I didn't make up my mind who I was voting before hearing it all. Watching all the debates. Checking all the facts to see who was lying and who was telling the truth. In the end I based my decision on all of it. What did disappoint me more then anything was how rude McCain acted toward Obama. On public TV during the last debate when you could watch both candidates during the debate. McCain sat there rolling his eyes, making faces and rudly interupting Obama. I thought his behaviour was abominable for someone running to be President of the country, he looked more like a 5 year old being reprimanded. The other thing that disappointed me was his running mate MS Dipshit from Alaska. Anybody who has half a brain could figure out the only reason he picked her was to try and capture Hillarys votes, and I found that insulting to my intellegence as a woman. Now come on guys boobs are great to look at but lets keep them on the cover of Playboy not running our country. You all think this country is doomed now, just imagine if McCain died during his term and we had to have this dipshit running our country.. OMG. McCain would have been better off trying to get Hillary to be his running mate, then he actually might have had a chance. McCain screwed up and he did it to himself PERIOD!

I buy salvaged automobiles and use the law library before I have to see an attorney and I don't even want to get started on disc jockeys. I know that not all politicians, democrat or republican are dishonest. Just like not all cops are on the take and not everyone on public assistance is committing fraud. But some do think the worst when it comes to some or all of those things. Now, I have shown pictures of democrats and republicans to little children and they didn't know who they were but they would say the republicans were the mean people, lol. But I don't base my vote entirely on looks of course.

A chemistry professor in a large college had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government. In the midst of his story he looked at t he professor and asked a strange question. He asked, "Do you know how to catch wild pigs?" The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punchline. The young man said this was no joke. "You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in The last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd." "Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity." The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned in come, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time. One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself. Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government 'help' is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America , you might want to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut! Pass the word, for we will need some help to keep the fence down and if that is too late for that , to destroy the one being put up.

They can pass all the gun laws and taxes they want. It will only affect the law abiding gun owners. Criminals don't abide by the laws to begin with, so they will still have a steady stream of guns and ammo, while the people that follow the rules and buyu their arms through the legal channels will be left defenseless. And if you think the government won't take your guns, check out what happened to the people affected by hurricane Katrina. Their "LEGAL" guns were confiscated by police and they recieved no compensation for them. There are videos on the NRA website and also on you tube I think.

Many people consider me to be a liberal, then they're surprised when they find out that whenever you see me (and it doesn't matter how I am dressed), I am carrying a gun at all times. I consider myself to be a "liberal minded" person and instead of being brainwashed in my formative years, I was raised to make up my own mind about faith and religion. Now, as an adult I believe in God and the teachings of Jesus Christ. I try not to judge others but I am only human and I usually don't say anything until someone has said or done something that I feel strongly about. I try my best not to hurt feelings when I respond. When I think it's appropriate I inject some humor or at least try to keep it light. I have always learned to work on my own cars and bikes. I believe that if you own a bike , you should work on it yourself. Even if you can afford to do it, that doesn't mean you should put your bike on a trailer to take it to the dealership for them to change the grips for you, lol. That's just silly. I tend to vote Democrat but not always or on every issue. In fact I had, but lost a lot of respect for John McCain as he finally went 100% republican in his quest for the White House. There was something I always noticed when I was a child about the differences in Democrats and Republicans and it still rings true in me today. It's in their photos, the democrats always look friendly in their photos and the republicans always look stone faced and mean or constipated in their photos. Now they both get in some kind of trouble over money, car accidents and driving under the influence, but when it comes to "sex scandals" the democrats are either fooling around on their spouses, coming out of the closet, or both. But when the Republicans get into a sex scandal, it's usually involves some type of illegal, homosexual activity that sometimes includes minors. Now this has just been my perspective on things and how I see them. I don't think anyone is going to take our guns away from us unless we all start doing and saying foolish things about what we'll do if they try.

A stranger was seated next to a little girl on the airplane when the stranger turned to her and said, 'Let's talk. I've heard that flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.' The little girl, who had just opened her book, closed it slowly and said to the stranger, 'What would you like to talk about?' 'Oh, I don't know,' said the stranger. 'How about nuclear power?' and he smiles. OK, ' she said. 'That could be an interesting topic. But let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff - grass - . Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?' The stranger, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence, thinks about it and says, 'Hmmm, I have no idea.' To which the little girl replies, 'Do you really feel qualified to discuss nuclear power when you don't know shit?

Hey kyironrider when you gonna learn dude to start feeding the right wolf!

Bikeartist can you find me a link to that info on that 500%tax I would like to check it out.

I bet the good people of Australia were saying the same thing as "Ryder" right up until they took their guns. We have a lot of people in this country that are just as naive. The problem is that some people don't wake up until its too late. They prefer to call the enlightened ones paranoid.

Kudos to BraveStranger420

Ryder, they won't go after the guns except to ban semi autos. what they are after is a 500% sales tax on powder and ammunition

Try this link for facts http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html

WOW what a paranoid bunch of people.Do you really think the government will take our guns away lmao let them try they better bring their own bodybags.

from the NRA website..... MisLeading Phone Calls to NRA Members in Battleground States Falsely Claim Senator McCain's Pro-Gun Voting Record as Obama's Fairfax, VA--The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) today sent the following email alert to members following reports of deceptive phone calls in support of Barack Obama. The callers falsely claim to be from NRA and attribute Senator John McCain's pro-gun voting record to that of Obama. Dear NRA Member, It has come to our attention that with Halloween upon us, the Barack Obama campaign and its allies are up to dirty political tricks....it goes on,,, heres the link addy........http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=11767 .another article........ Gun Laws Haven`t Cut Murder Rates Australia`s guns buyback has not reduced rates of gun murder or suicide, a new study says. The paper, published in the British Journal of Criminology and written by pro-gun lobbyists Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran, found the buyback of 640,000 guns at a cost of some $500 million failed to make Australia safer.....link addy.....http://www.nraila.org//News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=8362

Yes Dakota in a way the sky is falling. At least the sun has set on freedoms as we have known them. Our only hope is a lot of the democrats are from states like my own and if they were to support Obama in his quest to relieve us of our arms and ammunition they would not be welcome back at home. I know a lot of the far left are not concerned with our right to keep and bear arms. I just wonder how long the freedom of speech would last without our guns. I don't have to agree with the wacky left but they as well as the right should be able to express thier beliefs and that will only happen if we protect the 2nd and 10th ammendments also.

It is with much regret to announce the death of the American flag. I love America and ALWAYS have. I'm proud of what America stands for. The freedoms we have in this great country will not be found anywhere else. I support our military and believe the government doesn't do enough for the men and women who fight for this land. When 52% of the American people elected Obama for the next president, I take it that they don't care that he sit in a church for 20 years and listened to a preacher that said things like "Goddamn America"! They don't care that he doesn't put his hand on his heart when the National Anthem is playin. They don't care that his wife was never proud of America until her husband won the democratic nomination. I feel that the person that holds the highest office in the land should be a patriotic American that is proud of his country. I took all the American flags off my truck, took them down off my house and cleared my workplace from them as well. I have put away 29 American flags that I've displayed with pride for so many years. Hopefully they will fly again in 4 years, until then... Goddamn America! I am a patriot against Obama

Have a wonderful and blessed Sunday! GOD BLESS AMERICA and UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL!

a "huge flaming object" had dropped on a farm near Grovers Mill, New Jersey. "Good heavens, something's wriggling out of the shadow like a gray snake," "Now it's another one, and another. They look like tentacles to me. There, I can see the thing's body. It's large as a bear and it glistens like wet leather. But that face. It...it's indescribable. I can hardly force myself to keep looking at it. The eyes are black and gleam like a serpent. The mouth is V-shaped with saliva dripping from its rimless lips that seem to quiver and pulsate....The thing is raising up. the audience concluded that it was hearing an actual news account of an invasion from Mars. People packed the roads, hid in cellars, loaded guns, even wrapped their heads in wet towels as protection from Martian poison gas, in an attempt to defend themselves against aliens.

"Now watch him Folks cause he's a fairly dangerous man!" "You may not know it but this man is a spy. He's a undercover agent for the FBI And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!" He was still bent over holdin on to his knee But everybody else was looking and listening to me And I laid it on thicker hand heavier as I went "He's a friend of them long haired, hippy-type, pinko fags! I betchya he's even got a commie flag tacked up on the wall inside of his garage." "He's a snake in the grass, I tell ya guys. He may look dumb but that's just a disguise, He's a mastermind in the ways of espionage" "Would you believe this man has gone as far As tearing Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars. And he voted for George McGovern for President." They started lookin' real suspicious at him He jumped up and said "Now just wait a minute, Jim! You know he's lying I been living here all of my life!" "I'm a faithful follower of Brother John Birch And I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church. And I aint even got a garage, you can call home and ask my wife!" LOL

LOL "The sky is falling"

That's right ironrider, a different presentation of the flag could have been used on the tail. Also right Bill, before he took delivery of the plain, the Northwest logo was replaced. There is no debate about the sunrise being on the tail from the beginning. Anti-christ I doubt, more like a manchurian cantidate. I haven't checked for the christian "mark of the beast" in the logo.

WTF? Obama put his logo on the plane tail and kept it there the entire campaign. It was his 'sunrise' BS design, not NW or the American flag. There's no debate about it, its a fact. Like I said, do a search on his logo, then look at the news websites showing him arriviing or boarding the plane, its there the whole time.

Hey jack, I have heard that if you look at the obama logo on the tail of his plane backwards you can see "666"

So then you are telling me that if obama was a patroit he could have had the American Flag on his tail???

I don't know. I'll have to look at the plain, before and after. It wasn't an issue during the race so I didn't check into it.

Not to the American flag, just that depiction of it.

So how come McCain got to keep the flag on his tail???

Ironrider and pipewrench, we all missed it. I'd have voted for Ted Nugent.

hey jack, I didn't know Northwestern owned the copyright to the American Flag????

Bill, The American flag on the tail of the aircraft is a registered trademark of Northwest. It had to be removed before the plane could be used for the campaign. I checked the Northwest site. The Obama sunrise on the tail, as it was used during the campaign, is not a Northwest trademark. I never said it was. We should have been concerned with the cost of chartering two airliners, not what was on the tail. "Billy, I think we missed it." Quote Captain America from Easy Rider.

You are right on target Pipewrench...

Sorry jack, I guess I got it all wrong....a "PRESENT" vote does work...lol

Dakota, I am as anti liberal as they come. So I made a joke BFD!! At the end of the day this country is in a shitload of trouble. Buy yer guns now before they ban them all!! Obama will do just that given the chance. Vote Ted Nugent in 2012!!!!!

The art of politics is to transfer money from one group to another. I'd say they got it down pretty good. 900 million on just the campaign, and that's just the beginning.

That person did not get any electoral votes. The show was a very effective advertising campaign. It worked completely. Even the ones who didn't buy it were neutralized buy the ones who did.

Better yet, here, order yourself some Obama crap with Northwest Airlines logo on it... http://clothing.cafepress.com/item/obama-sunrise-over-america-hooded-sweatshirt/309446663

Simple way to find out Jack, Google it...then come on back and tell me it's the Northwest Airlines trade mark. In fact, simply check out Obama's t-shirts, hats bags and pins. They have the same logo. Or should we believe that he is a pimp for Northwest/

We all know the president can't write a bill or pass legislation. It was all a big show. Hope you enjoyed it. I think that 900 million could have done a lot of good elsewhere. The man behind the curtain is smiling right now.

AND JUST HOW MANY ELECTORAL VOTES DID YOUR CONTENDER GET

Simple way to find out Jack, Google it...then come on back and tell me it's the Northwest Airlines trade mark. In fact, simply check out Obama's t-shirts, hats bags and pins. They have the same logo. Or should we believe that he is a pimp for Northwest/

You are supposed to vote for who you think will do the best job. There were more than two choices. 900,000,000 dollars were spent giving you the McCain/Obama reality show and you bought it.

Coyote Jack...you say you voted? but you did not vote for obama or McCain? bullshit...if you did not vote for one or the other then you did the same as a obama speciality vote...""PRESENT""

That particular design on the tail of that aircraft(before it was painted) is a trademark of Northwest. Many companies have more than one trademark. The three piece patch on the back of every "Hell's Angel" is a corporate trademark. I was concerned by his lack of respect during the national anthem; I mentioned earlier that I did not vote for him (nor McCain).

The planes tail is NOT the trademark of Northwest airlines. The Northwest trademark is the letter N, In most cases its white on a red background, sometimes the colors are reversed. The logo on Obama's plane is called the "Obama Sunrise". In other words, he puts his own logo above he US flag. It shouldn't surprise me since he won't put his hand over his heart or face the flag.

The plain's tail, a trademark of Northwest airline. He had to remove the flag. The whole Joe the plumber farce. It was all lies. The Koran, more lies. It scares me more that he might be a radical christian; their reputation for murdering people who dont beleive the way they do is far beyond any muslim effort. 12 million in Europe alone, 6 million more than Hitler(who killed in the name of christianity), 6 million more than Stalin (who killed his own people). Have you ever heard of the 10 40 zone. Money straight from the collection plate on Sunday right to the arms dealer on monday to buy weapons to kill non-christians in Africa. When Jeshua comes back he's gonna want to talk to all of you who have murdered in his name. It's time to stop the hate. One of you said earlier that 545 people rule this country. What could 200 million do? Blessed be.

I like your ideas hersheycowboy. Maybe you ought to run. We need real get it done thinking

I voted...and it wasn't for Obama...but not because I think he is a bad person. I voted for McCain because I believe our Commander in Chief should be someone who served this country in the military. I believed that Joe Biden is a thirty year politician who is along for the ride....why didn't you creat change Joe? I have a question...If we are so concerned about being FAIR in this country why didn't you see one debate including the third party candidate? This country is a mess because of the lax attitude of all the people in Washington. Limit their terms and get new people in...here's a solution...have the best two individuals from BOTH parties serve as the Presidents....make them BOTH work together to solve our nations problems...make the Congress and Senate 50/50...and make them work!!! Thanks TAGG that was very informative...if Obama had the looks of a caucasion...he is half white...would he have receivd all the votes from the black voters? I hope for our troops sake and the future of this country that he does well....I will support him!

Like all the Hollywierd Leberals did after the last election. I sure wish we would have got a chance to miss them. Maybe ought to point out another difference between the anti - gun liberals and the conservitives. Guns you liberal types give them up we stock pile. Thats why liberals want to leave and we want to change things. Bomb throwers like you are great behind ananimity and walls. I have never had one with the guts to stand toe to toe and antagonize. by they way my spelling might not be correct but I think you ought to be able to grasp the general idea.

Oooh, Duke make a rhyme!
Yes he IS your President

Unless of course you want to move to some other Country....

no more drama? so why did you vote for obama?(he is not my president)

Somebody mention me? I have been busy and I need to catch up. I am just me, 2steps. More later (maybe).

Why run when I can ride?
113 cubic inches of smoooooth power!

Run Forrest run!

you can spell anyway you wish
"Hooked on Phonics Worked for Me!"

This is old news now. Any more posts are just crying about the outcome.
I'm going for a ride.
have fun, kiddies......


As for who I am? Who cares?
Just another Joe Shmo with an acidic opinion......

I don't disagree with everything "this is me" has to say, however I don't understand why he feels the need to hide who he is. I for one beleive we have the right to say whatever we want. Thanks to the people that keep our wonderful country free. UNITED WE STAND AND DIVIDED WE FALL has been my motto the entire time.

lol it was just a joke sorry dont get your panties in a bunch now..

Haven't seen 2step in quite a while...I can't imagine him staying out of all this....perhaps "This is not me" is him...seems to have the same style. Whoever it is....or is that "whom ever"...I'm a little rusty on my grammar lessons...as hateful as his posts seem to be...who is he to talk about "hate mongering"? Once again I say...just because we have differing opnions does not mean we don't support our country. That's what this country is all about. The freedom to think the way we want and to say what we feel. If people can't vent here where can they vent? I sure hope I spelled everything correct and used correct grammar...I'd hate to have the BON grammar police show up at my door!

Spelling and grammer? That's an issue now? It's fricken typing, not brain surgery.

Hey "This" how you doing today?

open mouth insert foot

Pipewrench said ATTENTION!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~All White People are to Report To the Cotton Fields At 6:00 am Tommarow For Orientation!!!!!! no racism lol

lol or spelling....

Hey NOT.... No racism. Had it been Colin Powell I'd have voted for him. But I will never support Osama Obama. He is a good for nuthin liberal jackoff.

Saxxy, first you say this thread is getting a bit hateful?
Then you follow up by referring to OUR President Elect as Osama Bin Bama?
Wow, are you ever an ignorant racist pig.
We are in MUCH better hands now, finally!

Get over it! Barack Obama is our next President, so stop bitchin' and support your Country!

Your racist fear and hate mongering will be your own undoing.

Pick up a book now and then. You might learn something.
Clearly English 101, was not your strong suit.....

in reference to the harressment of joe the plumber i mentioned earlier,,,,,paid leave of absence,,,,,what a crock............http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2008/11/07/story_leave.html?type=rss&cat=&sid=102

I feel for you guys in the metro areas. I like my Montana mountain home more and more each day. I honestly see no way out but big trouble. I do wish him well as a leader but believe he is boxed himself in. He has promised to much there is no way he can deliever and what little record he has most of us gun toteing, bible believing, red neck Americans aint going to stand for.

seems the crakheads were comming out of the getos to vote like rats on a sinking ship,I dont think 75% of them even new what his politics where about.GOD BLESS AMERICA,save the race

You know, I could give a rat's ass whether he's black, white, or #$%@ing purple. We have a constitutional right to bear arms, and the armed forces need our support. You guys can keep the change.

yes I voted,oh crap,time to start stocking up on the ammo before Biden starts his s@#t again

fast rat,,,,,,, if they would of hired him,,,,like joe the plumber in toledo, ohio,,,,the State would of illeglly pulled his SS# and did a intensive intel report on him,,under the issue of homeland security....of course the State is denying any wrong doing,,,,,,HA ............this thread hateful?,, i don't think so,,whats hateful is a columbus police officer gets run over by a obama bin ladin suppoter,,whats hateful is a bro of mine was denied a coke at a dispenser in a public resturant by a bin obama supporter,,,hateful is ....friend of mine being harrassed at work just because shes white by a bin obama supporter,,,whats hateful is groups of blks intentionally stepping out in frt of wht folks off the sidewalks while driving down the roads,,,,,,,,NAA FOLKS,,, this thread isn't hateful,.....i ain't making this stuff up either folks......................lonewolf bill................theres a lot of people that aggree with you,,,,,,,,i am hearing 5:1 odds he never sees the white house steps,,,,,,,,,,,10:1 he don't make it full term,,,,,,,,,,,my personal opinion,,,,,if he takes the Oath on the Koran<>>like he did as he was sworn in as a Senater,,,,,,,,its all over with,,,,this just my personal opinion and i will not tell you where i am getting my info on the odds,,,, i reckon we'll see ........and i ain't picking no cotton either ...;)...its going to get uglier folks,,,you can count on that

Yes I did....... my thoughts...........OH SHIT

I can't believe how many people drank the Koolaid!!! This guy has proven nothing! He talks of change yet he intorduced no major bills since becoming a senator! He voted present 130+ times! Grow some balls! Vote yes or no! How are we to know what he really stands for? And when he did bother to vote, he voted with his party 100% of the time! WTF?!?! Change? Change? Change my ass!!! We are doomed! The fat lady is warming up. Check out this guys video. If the McCain camp had found this guy and hired him, things might be different right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A

ATTENTION!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~All White People are to Report To the Cotton Fields At 6:00 am Tommarow For Orientation!!!!!!

Thanks .Saxxy!

ATTENTION!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~All White People are to Report To the Cotton Fields At 6:00 am Tommarow For Orientation!!!!!!

I voted in vain...Please take the time to read and consider the following, it is eye opening...this is the type change we really need! 545 PEOPLE By Charlie Reese Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes? You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does. One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country. I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank. I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes. Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party. What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to. It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist. If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.. If the Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ . If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way. There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do. Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone,

Disgusting. Glad to see you got up early to spread some hate Bill.

I did not vote for Obama, There wasnt much of a chose to take. But Obama scares me a bit. And my ESp told me not to. Guess we will see and support him and hope for the best.

Now,....let's RIDE!!!!

Time to put aside all the differences, just until Tuesday...Remember our Vets this weekend and attend the Parades..My Girl will be in one, Full Dress Uniform as a VIP Escort to the Commander...if you want to know who I support..it would be her and all those that stand with her..Past Present and Future...she still has 4 years and 2 Active and 2 more Tours to do...she will always be Military and serve with Pride Remember Our Vets

I voted. I did not vote for the democrat or the republican. I was proud to be an American the day after the election, by our votes we have proven that any child can grow up to be president. Race did play a part in this election, we would be foolish to think it did not. 60% of his support came from the white race,23% came from the black race, and 17% came from the youth of America whom they lumped all together. They all voted for Obama because they thought he was the best choice they had. Now that he is the leader of our country we should all support him. He will need all the help he can get to get us out of this. May the Gods bless America. Blessed be.

All I can say is as a veteran who spent two years killing for my country and came home to the same basturds who will now be running the country. I want you to try to bring to the front more gun control. Gun control is hitting your target at 1000 yards. I learned well. Come and get um, I am going to give them to you one bullet at a time. Obama better stay hidden for quite a while after taking office, because I am quite sure there are enough crazies out there to eliminate the problem.

I think we all need to think about supporting the United States of America first. buy American, support Americans, and act American. Do right by your fellow people and share goodwill with all. btw, I personally think it is time for us to have a flat tax and do away with rhetorical government agencies. I also think the Federal government should be liable for any rider who has a bodily injury caused by an accident resulting because they were forced to wear a helmet if they pass their current measure.

"A busted rubber on Prom night?"
HEY! Is that how you were conceived?
Me too!

However anyone voted, we all have a new President.
I for one hope for the best.
Sure couldn't be any worse than these past 8 years......

Sorry that you feel I'm being all civil 'this is me'. But if it makes you feel any better I still think your opinion is about as useful as a busted rubber on prom night.

My vote against him had nothing to do with race. But its like Biden said if it walks like a Duck and quacks like a duck then...

Just a thought but since Barack Obama is only 50% black and 50% white I guess you can only hate half of him....lol (being a smart ass) Just for the record I voted for him incase you didn't read my past posts and it had nothing to do with his Race.

buying more ammunition. Call it for what it was a racist election. Isn't that what they would call it if over 90% of the had voted for a white candidate. I have nothing against a Black president but I wouldn't vote for some one with that many clan connections either. J

Am I the only one who thinks it's more than a coincidence that the national symbol for the Democratic Party is JACKASS? Something else to chew on - Al Gore "Invented the Internet" . If this is true then the whole thing can't be trusted

as usual I voted for the loser

Yeah I voted. Voted for Obama, proud to say. Proud to see how far this country has come, too. If you look back, this country is about in the same shape it was when Reagan was elected. That turned out pretty well, so all you "doom & gloom" folks oughtta do some research before jumping offa bridge. And believing in the right to choose doesn't make you anti-christian. Remember- " Judge not....". We are all United States citizens, we all want what's good and right for our country, so we owe it to ourselves to do what we can, when 3/4 of our citizens are in peril we need to not always worry about "What's in it for me!" OK, said my piece, so other than that-Hello to all you Bikers and Bikerettes out there. Remember, summer is comin' closer by the day! Take Care, Keep smilin', R.

you're no fun anymore...

Aw...... now you're all starting to make sense and being all civil.

Thats cool Mike, glad to see their are still people out there that can dish it out and take it all in fun. You're alright in my book even if you voted wrong. Just kidding about the vote, my daughter voted for Obama. Pissed me off but its like I told her, if you vote for anyone other than who you want to vote for, then and only then is it a wasted vote, no matter what anyone says.

i expected everything i got.its all good i have big shoulders and i can take (not in the butt).sometimes i just like to stir the pot and sit back and watch the show.have fun.

Now Mike don't excited, if I want a drink I just get one out of the fridge. But seriuosly Mike, you can't call a group of people a bunch of rednecks, tell them to shit in their hat and pull it over their without expecting it back. It's the American thing to do. If you come to the plant, let me know I'de like to meet you. I'll be wearing a frying pan over my butt though...sorry, Exit only, nothing personal.

HEY! Don't be talking about my nuts.
The doctor told me they'd drop eventually.....

Yeah I voted. Voted for Obama, proud to say. Proud to see how far this country has come, too. If you look back, this country is about in the same shape it was when Reagan was elected. That turned out pretty well, so all you "doom & gloom" folks oughtta do some research before jumping offa bridge. And believing in the right to choose doesn't make you anti-christian. Remember- " Judge not....". We are all United States citizens, we all want what's good and right for our country, so we owe it to ourselves to do what we can, when 3/4 of our citizens are in peril we need to not always worry about "What's in it for me!" OK, said my piece, so other than that-Hello to all you Bikers and Bikerettes out there. Remember, summer is comin' closer by the day! Take Care, Keep smilin', R.

your welcome vegabondslullaby it is fun to write shit on here and what for the comments back.I gte a kick out of alot of the people on here they can call the ones who voted for obama names but if anything is said about mccain voters lookout! i am a veteran and i didn't think mccain and his people could do the job. i don't consider people who voted for mccain rednecks i was playing around just seeing what kind of reactions i'd get and some were pretty amusing. bill your a funny guy your right i don't drink i have been clean and sober for almost 22 yrs. is that how you get your drinks by taking it up the butt? keep smiling.maybe i'll see ya someday when i visit the harley plant.

I posted this before and thought it worthwhile to do it again I voted - I voted for McCain - he didn't win - all I hear on this blog is sit back and wait - we're doomed - we're fcuked - there is nothing we can do - You're all wrong - there is plenty you can do - one vote counts yes - but its what you do afterwards that makes a difference too - if you don't like something its up to YOU to change it - you can't sit around and wait for someone else to make it better - when the Kings of England were so tyranical that our partiots could no longer stand it they stood up and did something about it - when we were followed by the kings men to our new shores so they could exert their will upon us we did something about it - all through history when the government has gone beyond their powers and the people of this great country get fighting mad they don't sit back and say - oh its the end - I'm going to sit back and wait and see what happens - no they forge forward and strike out to make this land what it is they see and want - You can make a difference when you don't see what you like or want your country to move into a new direction - VOTE - demonstrate - volunteer - write your congressman - run for office - become an intrigual part of your community - make your voices heard - don't just sit by and leave it up to someone else - that is what got us into this mess in the first place - be a leader in your community not a mindless sheep that follows the rest - stop complaining and START DOING!!!

Someone let me know when the over throw begins I'll be right there with the weapons, dogs and beer!!! Ain't no one takin my bible or my guns or my freedom without a fight!!!

PS.....even though I think "this is me" is a nutless coward...I do respect his right to express himself along with everyone else...lmao!

wrong? yes, yes you are. big surprise there.....

and no, I'm not French, I'm actually Navajo.
Guess that makes me more American than you, eh?

I agree lullaby, but I think that 'this is me' would be better off if he spent his time trying to cure the genital warts on the the back of his throat rather than come here and pretend to have a clue about how the world works. Of course, thats just my opinion, I cold be wrong.

lmao lullaby.

And quit blaming this president or that party for our economical problems. I believe this has all been caused by greed, regardless of party...period.

darlena,,, the amount of Electorial Votes a State gets depends on the number of people that reside in the State,,,, ,,,,just like the guy that voted for obama 750 times in Ohio,,fortunitly he got caught,, i fear many others did this in my State as well as other States

I agree about "this is me" being a coward. He/she comes on here and badmouths everyone for expressing their feelings and goes on a name calling spree but doesn't have the testicular fortitude to have a real profile. WTF? What are you afraid of? By the way....the "redneck motherfucker" statement was made way before you left your intelligent comment. This is a free speech forum...where anyone can come and say whatever they feel. If you don't like it...don't come here. I don't agree with everything, or like everything, that is being said here....and a lot of it really pisses me off....but I respect everyone's right to say it! Now....I'm heading out to my atv with my 6 pack to go shoot a few rounds over in the firing range we have here on our property...a freedom I will fight for if need be! I am not inbred and I don't hate America, and I'm sure the rest of the people exercising their right to free speech here don't hate America either. And where has anyone said they don't support their country? Just because some may not agree with everything that is going on in this country doesn't mean they don't support this country. We are not sheep....at least, not all of us. We have our own thoughts and beliefs and have the right to them. What has happened in this election is a HUGE change...and for some change is not accepted easily. There is a lot of unknown....it's scary. But, I am sure, when it comes right down to the nitty gritty...we all support each other as Americans and we will come together to do whatever needs to be done to keep this country safe, free, and strong. Maybe this election is just what we needed to wake people up and take a stand and become involved in what happens to us.

Why do we use Electorial Votes instead of the popular vote? I don't know if it would have made a difference, but I don't understand why some states matter more than others because they have more Electorial votes. When will this be changed?

Oh boy, another uneducated redneck.
Do you even know that Kwanza is an agricultural celebration? It's not a religious holiday.
It has nothing to do with Christmas, and is NOT the "Black" version of it

My God, how do you people even walk upright?

Does this mean we cannot celebrate Christmas now its Quanza? Do my kids have to learn Ebonics now? LOL

As far as what will the future be...if we continue to allow the Lobbyists to control our elected officers this will never get better. The president has very little to do with what happens in this nation (policy is written for him and his speeches are also) but does have one power (veto) that can limit the crap flow from Congress. The secret is to enact our own term limits and NEVER RE_ELECT ANYONE!!!!!!! .. .. ...This is Obamas policy list...http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ .. .. ..Here are the top 10 things (campaign promises) he wants to do: * Reduce the US's carbon emissions 80% by 2050 and play a strong positive role in negotiating a binding global treaty to replace the expiring Kyoto Protocol * Withdraw all combat troops from Iraq within 16 months and keep no permanent bases in the country * Establish a clear goal of eliminating all nuclear weapons across the globe * Close the Guantanamo Bay detention center * Double US aid to cut extreme poverty in half by 2015 and accelerate the fight against HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis and Malaria * Open diplomatic talks with countries like Iran and Syria, to pursue peaceful resolution of tensions * De-politicize military intelligence to avoid ever repeating the kind of manipulation that led the US into Iraq * Launch a major diplomatic effort to stop the killings in Darfur * Only negotiate new trade agreements that contain labor and environmental protections * Invest $150 billion over ten years to support renewable energy and get 1 million plug-in electric cars on the road by 2015

what a coward,,,can't even reveal his trueself

Hey Wild, did you actually believe my stupid fake profile?
Wow, now it's all so clear. You sir are a sad, sad little man....

My God, that's funny.....!

Do you seriously think I'm an 18 year old French kid?
Congratulations! You are indeed, the dumbest guy on this post!

go to www.avaaz.org and sign the letter to Obama

Thanks Little Richard for showing your true colors...

haha, 'this is me' is ,,18 years old,,,and from paris,, france ,and doesn't even ride,, he must be part of the facists that vandalize OUR boys' grave sites in Normandy/Omaha Beach,, but of course he has no clue 'when' that happened or 'why' OR how we saved your sorry ass Country,,,not once ...but twice.... get a life fuckhead,,,and go to the library and read up on mmm ya the day was 6-6-44......its quite obvious you did not get a education,,,OH yea,, for your information, i had 5 uncles during that time saving your sorry ass Country ,,all at the same time... and i am DAM PROUD OF THAT,,"God Rest Their Souls"

Hey Bill, I did call you all a bunch of rednecks
but I never said anything about fucking your mother.
Is there something you need to get off your chest?

upside down flag, huh?
Wow, sucks to be you.....
BUT, you do have the right to do that!
Speaking of rights, can anyone say "PATRIOT ACT"?
Now there's an oxymoron......

And no, that's not a dumb kid with acne....

yes I voted not much of a choice & now my flag flies at 1/2 mast & upside down

So we are redneck motherfuckers for voting for McCain and we should shit in our hats and pull them over our ears? And we're the whiners? I would think of you as the type of guy that takes it up the ass for beer money but I see on your profile that you don't drink, go figure?

NEWS FLASH:
The Borders are now open.
All of you America hating, inbred, assault weapon toting,
ATV, ridin', 6-pack drinking, rednecks, can all leave.
Support your contry, or get the fuck out.
I thought Bush was a fucking sock-puppet
but I still supported my Country

St. Peter is sitting at the Pearly Gates when Barak Obama walks up and asks to enter Heaven. St. Peter says "Who are you?" Barak answers "I am Barak Obama, the first black President of the United States." St. Peter says "WHOA, I never heard of that, when did it happen?" Obama replied "About 20 minutes ago."

This is perfect!!> > A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered> her> altitude and spotted a man in a bass boat below. She shouted to> him,> > 'Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him> an> hour ago, but I don't know where I am.'> > The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, 'You're in a hot> air> balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346> feet> above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north> latitude and> 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.'> > She rolled her eyes and said, 'You must be a Republican.'> > 'I am,' replied the bass fisherman. 'How did you know?'> > 'Well,' answered the balloonist, 'everything you told me is> technically> correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and> I'm> still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me.'> > The man smiled and responded, 'You must be a Democrat.'> > 'I am,' replied the balloonist. 'How did you know?'> > 'Well,' said the bass fisherman, 'You don't know where youare or> where> you are going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large> quantity of> hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and> you> expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same> position you> were in before we met, but, somehow, now it's my fault.>

well said vagabondslullaby .well said,,,,,,,heres a post election horror story,,,,,,besides the officer being ran over like a dog after a post election 'celebration'in my town...............BTW no charges againist the officers' partner,, that emptied his clip at the obama supporter,,,,,ok heres the other story,,,,my riding bro gene was out after election day,,it was nice he was riding,,ok Genes white 58 years old,,been riding motorized 2 wheelers since he was 5,,,,he wears a old pair of boots that are 38 years old,,rides a old shovel and hes dam proud of it,,,,,,, he was in the blk hood,,,,he went to a fast food resturant because all the gun shops had no place for him to park at the time he rode by...he went to get himself a self serve coke,, he had a blk lady stand in frt of him,,,,denying him his drink......a post election thing,,,,,ABSOLUTLY... PERSONALLY ,,,, it would of gotten ugly if that happen to me,,,,,...... Genes a mild tempered man,,,and didn't react as i would... i just thought i'd pass this on to you "obama lovers" WHINNING I HAVEN'T SEEN NO WHINNING,,,....... as one person said,,......if you don't like whats being said,,,,just simply leave this topic and start your own "obama lover" thread..... trust me the 10 to 1 folks for McCain on this thread will not even look at what being said on your "SOCAILIST" loving thread.......be safe,,,,,,,wild

I choose optimism; like many of you I awoke to the bad news the morning after the election. I read the gloom and doom and propaganda. I voted for McCain but feared that he wouldn't survive the presidency and our president would be a woman none of us had even heard of until several months ago. Obama was not elected KING. We have voted for Senators and Representatives to ensure that our voices are heard here in America. The wide-sweeping changes expected will take time - if they happen at all. Each of us must use our voice - understand the issues and vote. Change can bring good - he may surprise us all.

This is a forum for people to voice there opinion. Its not whining. If you dont like it....go somewhere else. I agree the country is in trouble, and it is my opinion, even more trouble with Obama at the helm. We will see how you Obama voters feel when your bike goes to support a "deserving" immigrant.

WOW! I can't believe all of the whining going on here. I almost voted for Nadar. I voted for Obama because I couldn't see myself making it through 4 more years of republican bullshit.They have run this country in the ground and made us the laughing stock of the world!So you redneck motherfuckers can go shit in your hat and pull it over your ears! P.S. Biden will probably be in within 2 yrs because some redneck will end up taking Obama out.

Hey 2steps, a college education does not equal intelligence or rational thinking....your a perfect example of this! Thanks for making my point...

I voted, and regardless of who i voted for ('m a democrat who voted Republican if you must know), i am still very proud this morning to be an American.. i support our Troops, our Country, our President, our Rights.. God Bless us All...

I am an independent voter I would never let a political party know they have me in their pocket. They are all liars, and crooks. Who revel our Patriotic senses while they steal our 401k funds growth, our Social Security, over taxing us and our employers. Giving away our money to which ever bullshit artist has helped them into office. With that said the person I thought could do the best job for our country did not win. All the uninformed will soon learn there are no more free lunches. We have allowed the political machines to blind us with "BABBLE" while they continue telling us pure crap. The Washington DC show is the best on TV and Radio. As long as the uninformed continue believing the crap that pours from the Media's mouth, as long as the young keep failing history classes we are destined to continue to make the same mistakes. No one from Washington DC is here to help you any of you!!!! The funniest thing so far was the disclaimer that poured from the President elect's mouth during his acceptance speech. Words like we may not get it done, there will be great sacrifice, yaaddaa, yaaddaa, yaadaa. Well after my friend sat with his CPA yesterday he realized he needed to lay off some of his employees, so having no choice and no real reason to let any of his people go for lack of job performance, he decided to look around the parking lot and decide to let people go who had Obama stickers on their vehicles. So I would like to personally thank all of you for you SACRIFICE!!! "Hail to the Chief" Oh yea the Dow Jones Industrial dropped another 1000 points since Tuesday, today is Thursday. Remember the Golden Rule never drink the Cool-Aid....

I have a question....when this Socialistic Muslim takes away my bike so some illegal can have the money, will I have to wear a helmet on my camel? That is probably his plan for alternative energy anyway.....1 camelpower per family.

I took a stroll to the Poll and exercised My right to Vote and it didnt turn out the way I had hoped. Another challenge huh? I am trying not to read to much in it until I know more! Gotta hang tough!

I did my part and went to vote for myself and because my mom's in a nursing home I took the chance and went to where she would have voted and they let me. I believe in God and love my country--but I have heard of the Anti-Christ.

This was the first time that I've ever waited in line in 10 years as a registered voter. It was exciting to see so many people, especially young people, getting involved and exercising their right to vote. Let's hope this trent continues.

Hey Stella I'll keep your words in mind when we're all sitting in jail for doing something to change the new communist government that has just been elected. I disagree with you we ARE all SCREWED. The SOCIALISTS have BRAINWASHED A GENERATION & we will NEVER BE FREE AGAIN!

We all now have 11 weeks left as free Americans before the SOCIALISTS that all THESE FUCKING BRAIN DEAD MORONS WITH NO APPRECIATION FOR ANYTHING THIS COUNTRY STOOD FOR saw fit to elect take over. Congratulations America you have just become a communist regime just like RUSSIA. I hope you're all happy with NO RIGHTS AT ALL!

I guess it's always going to be true that some people only see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. Ya' know they said that according to a survey most of the people that voted for Obama were just like the ones that voted for Bush when he won, College educated.

well said Wrong Bedford

Im sorry wicked I agree with you of all the people that got to vote the soldiers fighting for our country should have been able to have their say. and Janice I agreed with you I believe the popular vote should be the one making the decision who will be our president. All I said was he won by both..

my son is a marine so this is FACT! alot of soldiers in iraq did not get the ballots in time so they could not vote! THESE ARE OUR SOLDIERS PEOPLE...PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY AND COULD NOT VOTE!!!!!!!!!WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR GOVERNMENT!!!!!!

not gonna get into this too far but I agree with counting the popular vote. I don't believe the Electoral college should decide but either way he won by both the electoral college votes and by the popular vote so this point is mute.

I'm with BigRed on the electorial college thing. Here in PA the entire state went McCain with the exception of Philly, Pittsburg and State College (Penn State). So we lose the state based on the votes of a bunch of inner city slugs hoping for more handouts and college kids that haven't even experienced life on the outside yet.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have been given an opportunity. An opportunity to sit back and watch the foundation of America be corrupted by the weakminded entitlement attitude that has been festering like an unclean wound. This country was not built in four years and neither will it be destryed in four years. It is time for a true change. I do NOT believe that it will come from this lame excuse for a leader, but it will come from the working spirit of the American people. The same people that have eradicated one disease after another for over 100 years. The same people that produced great people like Teddy Rossevelt, Ronald Regan, John Wayne, Clint Eastwood and the working class of this GREAT nation. "Let not your hearts be troubled", for "this, too, shall pass".

Kuddos to captn52. I could not have said it better. I too have concerns where all Obama's money has and continues to come from. What really scares me is nothing is for free and no one can tell me the people from other countries who gave him money do not want anything in return, especially the Middle East. Why are his records sealed in Hawii? Why are there questions about where he was born? Way too many unanswered questions. I am truly terrified what could possibly take place the next 4 years. If people voted for Obama to make history or to make a statement about not being a racist...shame on them. As someone once told me: "Obama has a Clinton Personna but lacks experience" So all you true Americans, hold on to your seats for the ride of your lifetime.

People keep saying that "race" has no part in this ... well then can SOMEONE please find me a BLACK person that says they voted for obama on SOME issues? EVERY one that I've seen .. INCLUDING Oprah has said "I'm so glad that I had the opportunity to vote for a black (african american, person of color, minority) man" WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE??? What would they say if I said I voted for McCain because he is white? I'd be a racist. Wake up people and GET READY for Civil war AGAIN!

last night on the 5th of Nov. a police officer was ran over by a man in my hometown of columbus,ohio during a post election celebration... heres the link,,,, now if i ran over a blk man in the very same town,, it be considered a hate crime...the driver of the van was shoot and killed by his partner,,, as far as i know no disipline action is being takin' againist the officer that shot and killed the driver that seriously injured his pardner,,,i hope the link works,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2008/11/05/shooting.html?type=rss&cat=&sid=102 .....things to come i reckon,,, kellyJ69,,,,,"LETS ROLL"

People keep saying that "race" has no part in this ... well then can SOMEONE please find me a BLACK person that says they voted for obama on SOME issues? EVERY one that I've seen .. INCLUDING Oprah has said "I'm so glad that I had the opportunity to vote for a black (african american, person of color, minority) man" WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE??? What would they say if I said I voted for McCain because he is white? I'd be a racist. Wake up people and GET READY for Civil war AGAIN!

Paladin... wrote at 11/5/2008 11:06:19 PM "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.... The time is coming soon my friends!!" .........AMEN BROTHER AMEN.. ....its about time..... be safe.... wild

Holy Shit we are Fucked!!!I can see it now helmets for everyone...........

Damn right I voted. But the 'pretty boy' won anyway. I have seen the mean spirited gloating from the loud mouthed left for 2 days now, disrespectful towards a real American Hero and see it as a really shitty sign of things to come. But no matter how much they yell, their actions are way louder than their taunts. I refuse to be intimidated and will watch and remember as this new socialist agenda wakes us up to the reality that we better do more than just vote. Joe the Plumber has formed a watchdog group to follow this new white house's actions and agenda. Sorry I dont have the URL but it's new. Let's be diligent for the next 'change we can believe in'. But there is: www.followthemoney.org which is fair and well documented. In the meantime, pretty boy has already asked one of the most partisan players, Emmanuel, to be his chief of staff. This is a setup to breaking promises right off the bat. Watch and see. On the other hand, I agree with one talk show host's summary: 'if our system can be brought down by ne man or one election, it's not as strong as we thought it was'. Well, we'll see if he really turns out to be 'everybody's president' like he said in his acceptance speech. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

Stella...I feel you are right...and when I said I'm going to chillax and wait to see what happens, I meant until he is sworn in and we start to see what he is going to do. We as Americans have the right to stand up for what we think is right and if enough of us disagree with something we can change it. The president doesn't make the laws....thank God...and we do all still have a say in what happens. PS....2steps...you're really getting on my nerves with your laughing at everyone just because they don't feel the same way you do...you come across as a pompous ass....who made you the expert anyhow? I had a brother in law like that...never could stand him. Thank God he's not in the picture anymore.

McCain all the way here.... I think we are all in for a rude awakening... Everyone I talked to that voted for Obama didn't have very good reasons... All I heard was that we would be a part of history to exist when the first black man is elected or he's gonna bring change... Well thank you all the genuis' of the world... McCain would have been the oldest - isn't that history? McCain would have been change - is that not the same??? I am a big supporter of this country and never thought I would not support my Leader... I would like to apologize to Natalie of the Dixie Chics for my actions toward her for doin just that cuz now I understand where she was.... Thank you and God Bless American and May He Save Us All

I voted - I voted for McCain - he didn't win - all I hear on this blog is sit back and wait - we're doomed - we're fcuked - there is nothing we can do - You're all wrong - there is plenty you can do - one vote counts yes - but its what you do afterwards that makes a difference too - if you don't like something its up to YOU to change it - you can't sit around and wait for someone else to make it better - when the Kings of England were so tyranical that our partiots could no longer stand it they stood up and did something about it - when we were followed by the kings men to our new shores so they could exert their will upon us we did something about it - all through history when the government has gone beyond their powers and the people of this great country get fighting mad they don't sit back and say - oh its the end - I'm going to sit back and wait and see what happens - no they forge forward and strike out to make this land what it is they see and want - You can make a difference when you don't see what you like or want your country to move into a new direction - VOTE - demonstrate - volunteer - write your congressman - run for office - become an intrigual part of your community - make your voices heard - don't just sit by and leave it up to someone else - that is what got us into this mess in the first place - be a leader in your community not a mindless sheep that follows the rest - stop complaining and START DOING!!!

i voted and was there 10 min.not very many people there.everyones vote counts!

Yes I did vote. I hope I was wrong and the rest of America was right. I think we are in for a hell of a next 4 years. My Dad told me years ago about D Eisenhour, he said he would put a car in every garage, and he did the working man could not afford to bie gas! He also ran on the same Platform "look it up"

captn52...thank you...everything you said is correct...it scares the hell out of me for my girl, she still has 4 years and 2 active to go..the next 4 will decide if she makes the military a career...I wanted her to, but now everything has 'changed'...she didn't even get a vote....nor her man in Iraq...early voting? what the hell was that? Again, thank you, have had many on here tell me how wrong I am....to them I say, you made your bed, now lay in it...I, for one, will not...CHANGE.....oh yeah, it's coming...

LOL!

Dakota.....with all due respect in your post about searching the facts....you only skimmed through the information...first of all Obama isn't american....his family was trash(this can be verified)and didn't have a pot to piss in. He denounced (verified) his mother and grandmother as part of his family only to use his grandmothers death to play the sympathy card. Where did he get the money to go to the prestigeous schools he attended? It wasn't from student loans or grants. He made ties with Middle East persons years ago who skilled him in the roloe he now has. Some of which were in charge of his fund raising campaigns....do you think all the millions came from the american people? If you do, you are extremely gullible. Obama was and has been supportd by Middle East money for years. The American people who put their faith in him have been duped into a false security. Bottom line.....CANCER UNDER ANY OTHER NAME IS STILL CANCER.....dressing it up or changing the name dosen't stop what it does ...it KILLS. America beware

had a guy on here try to REAM me yesterday...WOW...already trying to take my "FREEDOM OF SPEECH'...anyway, coming from Military background, dad a Marine, brother and DAUGHTER serving Air Force, with NO sign up bonus, all my Uncles had a Military Service at their funerals...All we can hope for is what all the ones before Obama have done...they forget what promises they were elected on....no one will pay my bills but me...I still count on NO One but ME...We will still be United.....who cares about the celebrations in Kenya, Japan and all the other countries who believe we have a 'new King'....maybe they need to read the book of Samuel.....this was foretold....'If they want a King, Give them a King'...anyway...I love my Country, I will stand for my Country, my kin have died for my Country, I will stand firm in what I believe...Southern roots go deep...I am what I am....and wouldn't have it any other way..I'm curious to see which Bible he puts his hand on in January...

I agree with Richard here - it is what it is - not liking the facts didn't change them, those who voted for McCain made our voices heard and thats all we could do. Sit back and see what happens. From a personal standpoint I hope he meant what he said about being for the working class and creating new jobs - BUT I also know that we hear that shit all the time and more and more American companies are outsourcing everything. I work at high level finance in Arizona and I hear of so many large companies sending their work to India and shit like that needs to be addressed, but will it ever in any industry (not just finance) ? No it won't be. I am resigned to what the outcome was - do I like it ? Nope. Is it too late to do anything about it ? Pretty much. What can we do ? Also as Richard says we had no say in this other than what we did - vote - beyond that the majority spoke.

It is what it is. Now we see what comes next.......... As if we really have a say in any of this bullshit anyways.

Some of you have some really weird ideas and some wild imaginations, lol.

A taxpayer voting for obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders...

WOW Gypsy, that was deep....I see it that we are in big trouble....a cop and a lawyer...DAMN

propisition 8 was a real good thing but I'm afraid it will be short lived because the new pres and all his dem henchmen will change that nation wide....as he said "change is coming"....get ready.

There are many factions that most are unaware of, of how much control they have over government, including government officials themselves. (Sociology 101) ("What some factions of government do not want the people to know.") Our government deals in the drug trade of opium for heroin, and cocoa leaves for cocaine to be trafficked in and around cities and our own country, and they get rich of this in two ways, one off the sales, and two of the recidivism of addicts and local street dealers to prison and recovery centers owned by that very government. The pharmaceutical industry is not much different, only these addictions have been deemed legal addictions. The powers that be rely on one of the most basic human psychological elements known as "group think" if our government says something is good for the masses , then most masses that can not think for themselves or have poor logical and critical thinking skills fall under the (sheep) group think category and become duped once again. Several studies have been conducted with various persons of educational variety and degrees, around the country. You have 10 people in a room 8 of which have been instructed ahead of time that they are to say the table is square and not round, (the table is actually round) the 8 have convinced the 2 that the tables are square, after a few moments, the 2 agree that the table is square, one of the 2 changed his mind, because he doubted his own judgment, (a law enforcement agent) and the other gentlemen said he just went along with what everyone said because it was easier to go along with what everyone else has said. (A Harvard law professor). Groupthink is a type of thought exhibited by group members who try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas. Individual creativity, uniqueness, and independent thinking are lost in the pursuit of group cohesiveness, as are the advantages of reasonable balance in choice and thought that might normally be obtained by making decisions as a group. [1] During groupthink, members of the group avoid promoting viewpoints outside the comfort zone of consensus thinking. A variety of motives for this may exist such as a desire to avoid being seen as foolish, or a desire to avoid embarrassing or angering other members of the group. Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside, for fear of upsetting the group’s balance. The term is frequently used pejoratively, with hindsight. WITH THAT BEING SAID LETS PUT A REAL BIKER IN OFFICE, AND BIKERS IN THE PRESIDENTIAL CABINET

Outlaw48..last time your state voted the same as the other 49,same propisition. some judge overturned your vote. Thats insane! once the people speak, there should be no one in any power to overturn what the the people decide.we the people should always be the ultimate authority. good luck with that judge!

Wow...so much hate and bad mouthing...from all sides. This IS America...where everyone has the right to feel and say what they want...so let's all try to stop hating and badmouthing each other just because we don't see eye to eye. No matter how the election would have turned out there were going to be unhappy people...but what's done is done and hating each other because of it won't do anything but tear this country apart. I haven't even turned on the news today because I know that what the media is doing is going to make my blood pressure rise and make me angry. I may not watch the network news...or talk shows for that matter...for another month....or longer...who knows? All the media is doing is perpetuating more of a division in this country. I believe the media should remain neutral when it comes to reporting on things like politics...but they don't. They should report the news...period. But they make sure it's known how they feel...even the talk show hosts don't hesitate to express their political views. What ever happened to "mindless entertainment"? I guess that's what freedom of speech is all about. I'm sure the media will run this into the ground for a long time. I'll be watching more programs to enhance my brain and my mood for awhile. The Discovery channel...Speed and Outdoor channels...Spongebob Squarepants....lmao! I'm gonna go CHILLAX! I'm going to sit back and wait to see what happens next and reserve my energy for whatever I may need it for in the future. Might stock up my gun room too....because I can!

to all the dispirited out there, hang tough!the government may be able take everything from you, but they can't take your "belief in God" from you and they can't take your "love of country"! the next 4 years are going to be difficult, trying & frustrating, but we will have to fight(politicaly, through envolvement & other lawful means)! GOD BLESS THE U.S. MILITARY,GOD BLESS BIKER'S, and last but not least,GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I voted as is my right, so is Freedom of Speech. I find it sad that years from now when people look back on the History of the United States and some of the Leaders that lead this Great Nation. They will read that in the year 2000 the people voted for who they thought was the best choice, and then the Supreme Court had to step in. That president was not chosen by the people, but by the Courts. Then 4 years later the same candidate BARLY won the election as his opponent Conceded... Change may be just what this great nation NEEDs!!!!

THE ONLY GOOD THING THAT CAME OUT OF THIS ELECTION IS THAT PROP 8 HERE IN CALIFORNIA PASSED. NOW IT WILL BE BACK TO MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMEN ONLY.

Conspiracy theory? So you're telling me that Obama didn't break his ties with rev Wright, Ayers and Rashid Khalidi? Feel free to argue it all you want, I really couldn't give a shit. I hope I'm dead nuts wrong about Obama, because if he fucks up it affects us all. Russia is moving missles right now to counter our defense system in Turkey and Poland. Looks like their setting up their test...reminds me of the Cuban missle crisis. That came close to all out war, Obama fucks up, we die. At least if he screws up the economy we only have to eat out of land fills...but I hope to hell that I'm wrong about the guy. That'll be my fina; word on the matter, I got some passing lamps to install.

Thank you!

Right on Dakota, well said.

'Twas the night before elections > And all through the town > Tempers were flaring > Emotions all up and down! > > I, in my bathrobe > With a dog in my lap > Had cut off the TV > Tired of political crap. > > When all of a sudden > There arose such a noise > I peered out of my window > And saw Obama and his boys > > They had come for my wallet > They wanted my pay > To give it to the others > Who had not worked a day! > > He snatched up my money > And quick as a flash > Jumped back on his bandwagon > With all of my stash > > He then rallied his henchmen > Who were pulling his cart > I could tell they were out > To tear my country apart! > > 'On Fannie, on Freddie, > On Biden and Ayers! > On Acorn, On Pelosi' > He screamed at the pairs! > > They took off for his cause > And as he flew out of sight > I heard him laugh at the nation > That wouldn't stand up and fight! > > So I leave you to think > On this one final note- > USE YOUR MIND,NOT YOUR HEART,TH NEXT TIME Y'ALL VOTE

Seems to me that if Obama were such a dangerous person, the Justice Department or the Secret Service would have had plenty to do with him or at least they would have made it clear to everyone that he is actually a dangerous person that should not be elected to office. That is their job. Unless you want to start up another conspiracy theory? No Thank You, LOL

THE MORON MAJORITY The fact is that the majority of voters are FUCKING MORONS! not having a clue about issues, backrounds,values, intentions, morals,ect. Democrat? just pull all the Democrat levers, no research needed, your job as an American is done. Republicans do the same, just not in such masses. Fuckin stupidity at its best. Its time we abolish the party system and require candidates to run on merit, that would force people to make an EDUCATED choice, and force government to work together in one house. there was a time when you had to be an educated landowner to vote. imagine the results of who would run and who would win now! My guess is we would have had better choices all the way around. Do we have our first black president? he sure is proud of his black heritage, fucker's half white, havent heard any proud to be "kinda white" remarks! couldnt care less myself, but say it like it is, you'll get more respect. If my grandparents were from Egypt, would I be African American? Egypt is in Africa, after all. Its a continent, not a country, WTF, get it right. We got what we got, so bitchin time is over, and making sure our elected officials know what we expect from them should start now with a loud and clear voice everytime there is a run, a rally, a vote. just my fuggin opinion.

Perhaps you should read this: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain Any man who gets "Peter Principled" out and moves up the ranks - not because he's worthy - but because he came from a father and grandfather who ARE worthy of respect... and can call his wife a c*nt in front of three reporters, does NOT deserve to be President. The people have spoken... and I was one of them.

I based my vote on my research. I could've gone into more the economy buts that seems to be at the front of everyones list. Next you have to look at the person. One guy has to hide all of his past associations in the closet while the other got the crap kicked out him daily in a POW camp. When he was offered early release he said thanks but no thanks, its not my turn. One guys had to break ties with his past connections, the other held true to his beliefs when he was alone in enemy hands. If those things don't tell you anything about the man then nothing will.

MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON US, FOR WE ARE IN FOR IT NOW ! HOLD ON TO YOUR UNDEES THE LONG HARD RIDE HAS BEGUN.....TOWARDS THE END

Thank you Dakota

The time for me me me needs to change to we, us, America! UNITED WE STAND AND DIVIDED WE FALL! Get it right!

It totally amazes me how many people are so gullible. Too lazy to research the facts so that their vote can be based on FACT and not BS. I have read this post and many others and although I was not going to post anything I feel I have no choice. I spoke to many people about this election, some voting for McCain and some for Obama. I really never tried to sway their vote either way. I only asked one thing Educate yourself ! If you get an email look to see if it is truth or BS. It just amazes me how some people can’t take the time to look up a simple Fact, but they can take the time to create a post and not see if what they are posting is truth. So many people stuck in their old ways to search for the truth before making a decision, (I seem to recall a time where human beings were burned at the stake because one or a few people screamed “a witch!” are you really so gullible that the mere thought or suggestion toward another human being would be taken as fact without proper research. ) I respect peoples opinions even if they are not the same as mine, as long as their opinions are based on FACT. I just recently turned 50 and I am proud of it. But when I look back to what has changed in 50 years I am saddened. Although many good things have happened some are not so good. When I was growing up if you needed a cup of sugar you walked next door and asked your neighbor for it and they gladly gave it to you. Now people don’t even talk to their neighbors. When 911 happened America united. People held doors for other people, they all of a sudden found a sense of patriotism. Unfortunately it didn’t last very long until we were all back to the same mindset…. Me me me. The people spoke last night and voted for change. The possibility for America to unite together and create a better place in which to live, work, and prosper. Will President Obama be the greatest change this country has ever seen, nobody knows that, and won’t unless it happens. But millions of people obviously decided to give him a chance. Years ago the people put an actor in the office ( lol who would of thought that would have been a good idea) but the man did a wonderful job as President. During the Reagan years we thrived and grew as a country. Why? Because the people gave him a chance. We now have an opportunity to once again possibly change the way our country is headed. As Americans who are so proud to be American, why would you not support your President and help him to make this place a better world to live in. Why would you not give him your support and a chance to see if he can do a good job running this country. Why not look around and see what the world is saying right now. America is truly a land of opportunity where every American has the chance to be President if they work hard enough at it. There is no more or should not be anymore racism in this country and why wouldn’t you see this as a change for the better. There should no longer be any reason for minorities to say hey we are an oppressed people. No you not, look who just became President of the United States of America. He didn’t come from a rich family that has every opportunity handed to them. He worked hard for everything he has and he worked harder to get where he is, and believes every person should have that right and chance. Black, white, yellow, red or even purple. When he was first running for President I said hell no I am not voting for him and then I took the time to listen to what he had to say. I watched all the debates. I looked up the facts when rumors were spread about him. I wanted to know who I was voting for and I wanted it based on “FACT” not rumors. So if you are disappointed today now that he is President I once again ask you to do the research. Look at all the rumors and BS spread around during this election. Its not too late.. Take the time to look up what is fact and what is BS and then when you find the truth, be a good American and Support your President. Because one man can’t change life for the better, it needs to be a group effort.

Yes Bill, that is why the Republicans are for de-regulation and the Democrats are for placing regulations. And both spend more time arguing about it than doing anything about it, the middle class got lost in the shuffle and is now being redefined. Right now there is: Poor, working poor, working, wealthy and extremely wealthy.

Race has nothing to do with it, being a muslim does. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the U.S from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!! I am so glad Osama Bin Laden was not on the democratic ticket.....he might have won, I mean after all it would have been change....right?

I pray for you Gypsy Queen if you truly believe that.

Ok....the rich will pay more taxes. The rich also own most of the businesses. They are going to increase the cost of the their products and/or reduce the size of their workforce. For those left with jobs, they'll see reduced health care. If their paycheck isn't reduced, salary increases will be lower than they have been. You can't build an economy from the bottom, reguardless of how hard you try.